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Post by raysgm on Feb 25, 2019 16:48:55 GMT -5
1. Feeling pretty good about the much-maligned Buster Posey contract now. 2. Week 2 is already a dumpster fire. Unlimited up-bids is making this insane. 3. Hey Sean, considering I was a good sport about it for the better part of a year now, could you maybe change your avatar to something other than my face? Plus, my defense is actually one of the better ones in the NL now, especially over your rag-tag organization. JIm Holy shit. I had totally forgotten that you were Sean's avatar.
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Post by Cubbies on Feb 25, 2019 17:55:42 GMT -5
1. Feeling pretty good about the much-maligned Buster Posey contract now. 2. Week 2 is already a dumpster fire. Unlimited up-bids is making this insane. 3. Hey Sean, considering I was a good sport about it for the better part of a year now, could you maybe change your avatar to something other than my face? Plus, my defense is actually one of the better ones in the NL now, especially over your rag-tag organization. JIm Holy shit. I had totally forgotten that you were Sean's avatar. I still marvel at the fact that I found an angled Cubs cap that perfectly matched the angle of JImmy's head.
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Post by Pirates GM on Feb 25, 2019 18:01:26 GMT -5
I still marvel at the fact that I found an angled Cubs cap that perfectly matched the angle of JImmy's head. Ah. The second shooter on the Grassy Knoll emerges. JIm
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Feb 25, 2019 18:04:21 GMT -5
I still marvel at the fact that I found an angled Cubs cap that perfectly matched the angle of JImmy's head. Ah. The second shooter on the Grassy Knoll emerges. JIm Technically, I was the second shooter. I just stole from Joe and meme’d it up. Though, Joe’s aim was true. I never actually pulled the trigger.
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Post by Cubbies on Feb 25, 2019 18:09:14 GMT -5
My MS Paint skills are on point, y0!
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Feb 25, 2019 22:25:21 GMT -5
Sale bidding starting to heat up. Moving past heavy petting and approaching under the shirt-over the pants. Won’t be really exciting until we reach edible panties.
Really though, I’m still shocked foreplay is in play. Just embarrassing. It’s Chris Sale. He demands sex.
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Post by bigredmachine on Feb 26, 2019 8:15:31 GMT -5
When checking the bidding spreadsheet, It looks like Ed's last bid on Greinke by the Marlins doesnt beat the bid by the Phillies. So do we revert back to the phillies bid for timing and price? Just want to make sure before I start my bids for the day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 8:55:06 GMT -5
You are correct Colby. My apologies everyone.. long day yesterday. I mistakenly looked at the total contract value instead of the actual winning bid.
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Post by Texas GM on Feb 26, 2019 10:27:03 GMT -5
Every year, I like tinkering around with the amount of money spent prior to tier 2 starting. If I'm not mistaken, we just hit $290M per year and surpassed the 21% mark of total money available to spend with plenty of time to push that to 23-24%. With that said, the league is still swimming in cash and the middle tier guys will land up being the ones grossly overpaid in annual salaries whereas the tier 1 guys land up overpaid in length of contract. For the second year in a row, I sit on the sidelines while being entertained and wisely restricted from my own ability to make bad decisions. I, of course, was the GM who decided that it was smart to pay Tanner Roark 16.95M (through 2020) in 2017. I'm still licking those wounds. In 2019, he will be the most costly swingman in NSBL history. Adam Wainwright thinks you may have overlooked his $27MM salary when anointing Roark. Or maybe you just figured he would t be on the 25 man roster at all. You know what, that is ugly, but flags fly forever and he played a role in getting that flag raised. On top of that, his contract expires after this year. No flags in Texas and two years of Roark still looms as the worst FA deal I've ever made. On top of that, I would still favor AW over Roark in my #5 or swingman role. Let AW have his bobblehead day and take his victory lap with the WS flag, he earned it. There's a good chance that Roark doesn't even make my opening day roster too. Thank god I have Beiber, Lucchesi and Triggs on the cheap to offset the pain of that contract.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Feb 26, 2019 17:57:43 GMT -5
3. Hey Sean, considering I was a good sport about it for the better part of a year now, could you maybe change your avatar to something other than my face? Plus, my defense is actually one of the better ones in the NL now, especially over your rag-tag organization. Fixed it. For the record though, my team is still the better defensive team. Your grinders just ain't got gloves, kid. Also, your new nickname is "Neverfirst" Krug. Enjoy my new avatar. Sucka!
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Post by Pirates GM on Feb 26, 2019 20:50:39 GMT -5
Yes. That surprise 16-game swing between expected wins vs. actual wins between the Cubs and I sure was a doozy of a knee-slipper this past season.
JIm
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Feb 26, 2019 20:58:16 GMT -5
To clarify, I am talking about the Pirates’ playoff snafus. I lost my grip on the playoffs years ago. As an abject failure in the playoffs myself, I feel justified talking shit about that. Neverfirst. I make myself laugh.
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Post by Nationals on Feb 27, 2019 9:08:53 GMT -5
93M in 2 guys.
Jesus, Miami.
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Post by Pirates GM on Feb 27, 2019 10:16:59 GMT -5
Clayton Kershaw approves. JIm
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Post by Nationals on Feb 27, 2019 10:28:34 GMT -5
So I was thinking for Tier 3 and 4, maybe we take the free agency list and break them up over the next several weeks? do like 10-15 guys bid war on the message board, same style? Would it get chaotic?
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Post by LA Angels GM on Feb 27, 2019 11:03:01 GMT -5
So I was thinking for Tier 3 and 4, maybe we take the free agency list and break them up over the next several weeks? do like 10-15 guys bid war on the message board, same style? Would it get chaotic? Yes. Yes it would get chaotic. Is that a bad thing? I think not. Others disagree. But, I am against any changes to tiers 2 and 3 for this year because we just don't have the time. If we changed up FA and did all of it this way, at this point, we wouldn't begin the season until June. Any changes to the free agent process, IMO, needs to be implemented next year and we have to begin it earlier. Also, I know some people would prefer to go back to doing it all the old way, so in my un-official opinion, I think a nice, long conversation would be in order.
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Post by bluejaysgm on Feb 27, 2019 11:23:01 GMT -5
Backing up the start isn't a problem. We don't follow MLB schedule anymore so that shouldn't be an issue. I think Tier 2 wouldn't take that long, but teams would have to put names up of guys not on the FA list that they are wanting to bid on.
I would suggest scrapping Tier 3 and just making everyone available for Tier 2 and allow 1 year bids on everyone. Heck, I think 1 year bids should be allowed on all players, even Tier 1. We don't have draft pick compensation so their isn't a good reason in my opinion of why we aren't allowing it now.
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Post by raysgm on Feb 27, 2019 12:20:49 GMT -5
Abreu and Freeman are final:
Jose Abreu signs with Seattle: 3 years / $22.500 MM per year / no option.
Freddie Freeman signs with Atlanta: 5 years / $36.000 MM per year / no option.
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Post by Pirates GM on Feb 27, 2019 12:58:17 GMT -5
Backing up the start isn't a problem. We don't follow MLB schedule anymore so that shouldn't be an issue. I think Tier 2 wouldn't take that long, but teams would have to put names up of guys not on the FA list that they are wanting to bid on. I would suggest scrapping Tier 3 and just making everyone available for Tier 2 and allow 1 year bids on everyone. Heck, I think 1 year bids should be allowed on all players, even Tier 1. We don't have draft pick compensation so their isn't a good reason in my opinion of why we aren't allowing it now. You can't allow 1-year bids for Tier 2 or even Tier 1 players. The problem is that GMs will find a loophole in the AAV of the Excel file by making an enormous 1-year deal that "beats" a multi-year deal, which is much more of a commitment. It's a cheater's way out though, because even though it seems like a *lot* of money, it's basically risk-free. The GM knows what ZiPS he's getting, and so even if the player has a bad real-life year, he's out scott free. I think that rule was actually added due to some of my own shenanigans in the early days of the NSBL Pittsburgh Pirates. I would sign guys like Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, etc. to enormous 1-year deals, beat guys with multi-year offers, cash out, and then receive a draft pick compensation for them, since they were still good enough to be a Tier 1 guy (that was before we had the Winter Draft). Forcing T1 and T2 guys to have multi-year deals has been one of the more logical changes to FA, IMO. JIm
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Post by Pirates GM on Feb 27, 2019 13:01:03 GMT -5
So I was thinking for Tier 3 and 4, maybe we take the free agency list and break them up over the next several weeks? do like 10-15 guys bid war on the message board, same style? Would it get chaotic? I personally hate this idea, because it all but kills any shred of strategy left with free agency. Tier 2- especially the first few days- is hands-down my favorite time in the league. Day 1: Strategy- do you use all 3 bids on primetime guys, or use 1-2 bids on lesser-known guys, hoping to get the Day 1 qualifier? Day 2: Strategy- okay, you missed out on one bid. Do you try to re-up the Day 1 GM, knowing you'll be in a bidding war, or chart new territory by trying to secure bids on new guys? I mean, as big of a dumpster fire as Tier 1 is, I guess this comes closest to Joe's utopia of "true market value." But if we employ that same strategy in Tier 2 and 3, it's basically going to ruin it. JIm
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Post by Texas GM on Feb 27, 2019 13:13:32 GMT -5
Count me in the camp with Jim. Wow, did I just type that? Yes, I did, I agree with Jim. I get the fun you're all having with tier 1, but teams do hold "private conversations" with FA unbeknownst to the industry and public. Publicly handling the bidding for all tier levels removes the very essence of any strategy remaining. It's bad enough that there's poaching of other GM's R&D after day 1 bids, let's not throw out the best part of the system.
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Post by bluejaysgm on Feb 27, 2019 13:25:05 GMT -5
Backing up the start isn't a problem. We don't follow MLB schedule anymore so that shouldn't be an issue. I think Tier 2 wouldn't take that long, but teams would have to put names up of guys not on the FA list that they are wanting to bid on. I would suggest scrapping Tier 3 and just making everyone available for Tier 2 and allow 1 year bids on everyone. Heck, I think 1 year bids should be allowed on all players, even Tier 1. We don't have draft pick compensation so their isn't a good reason in my opinion of why we aren't allowing it now. You can't allow 1-year bids for Tier 2 or even Tier 1 players. The problem is that GMs will find a loophole in the AAV of the Excel file by making an enormous 1-year deal that "beats" a multi-year deal, which is much more of a commitment. It's a cheater's way out though, because even though it seems like a *lot* of money, it's basically risk-free. The GM knows what ZiPS he's getting, and so even if the player has a bad real-life year, he's out scott free. I think that rule was actually added due to some of my own shenanigans in the early days of the NSBL Pittsburgh Pirates. I would sign guys like Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, etc. to enormous 1-year deals, beat guys with multi-year offers, cash out, and then receive a draft pick compensation for them, since they were still good enough to be a Tier 1 guy (that was before we had the Winter Draft). Forcing T1 and T2 guys to have multi-year deals has been one of the more logical changes to FA, IMO. JIm I understand what you are saying but that just means our calculator needs fixed. Why wouldn't a guy take a 1 year $40 mil deal over a 2/$20 or even a 2/30. He will become a FA the next year and can sign a huge deal again. I agree a 1 year deal needs to be significantly higher than a AAV of a 4/5 year type deal. And it even makes sense for Tier 1 with us doing the open bidding like we are. But for Tier 2 I see no reason to do it. WE don't have that many players that are worth multi-year deals (in my opinion). With no draft-picks attached and with the FA calculator fixed (to make 1 year significantly higher than multi-year bids) I'm not seeing how one year deals would be an issue.
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Post by Pirates GM on Feb 27, 2019 13:25:54 GMT -5
The other T2 issue is, you would have to set an order for public bidding. And that is the very essence of what makes T2 awesome.
I routinely pass up on prime-time guys on Day 1 because I want a better chance at securing a no-name bullpen or utility guy. The strategy here is that you are trading off shots at the truly elite names left, in exchange for increased chances of signing lesser-known guys that are still above average players, as the majority of GMs are investing their bids in the top guys.
If you set order to it, all of that strategy is out the window too.
JIm
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Feb 27, 2019 14:23:18 GMT -5
I don’t like open bidding. It’s been real. It’s just not fun.
I think the blind bidding is more fun on many levels. I understand that the spectacle of open bidding is something to watch. Humans also think car crashes and professional wrestling are entertaining, neither of those things presents a challenge for the people watching.
I don’t really care if we wanna mindlessly swing our dicks around in T1. I would prefer not. I think it would eliminate a big enough part of this league that I love if we tried it anywhere else that I would call it a deal-breaker. I understand that last sentence was a dealbreaker for some of you. I apologize.
Remember, kids, cock fights are illegal.
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Post by bigredmachine on Feb 27, 2019 15:28:51 GMT -5
I don’t like open bidding. It’s been real. It’s just not fun. I think the blind bidding is more fun on many levels. I understand that the spectacle of open bidding is something to watch. Humans also think car crashes and professional wrestling are entertaining, neither of those things presents a challenge for the people watching. I don’t really care if we wanna mindlessly swing our dicks around in T1. I would prefer not. I think it would eliminate a big enough part of this league that I love if we tried it anywhere else that I would call it a deal-breaker. I understand that last sentence was a dealbreaker for some of you. I apologize. Remember, kids, cock fights are illegal. Im on the fence about it. I got a decent deal with Goldy and ended up paying a bunch of money for Ohtani but I was prepared to go into the 40's for him or Trout. I do think most of the other contracts have been somewhat reasonable. This may not have been the best player pool to test this format out on but I still think the majority of the T1 guys would've had similar deals in aav had it been closed bidding. Ed reminds me of George Steinbrenner or Mike Illitch with his bidding style.
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Post by Elephanti! on Feb 28, 2019 8:20:01 GMT -5
So I was thinking for Tier 3 and 4, maybe we take the free agency list and break them up over the next several weeks? do like 10-15 guys bid war on the message board, same style? Would it get chaotic? I personally hate this idea, because it all but kills any shred of strategy left with free agency. Tier 2- especially the first few days- is hands-down my favorite time in the league. Day 1: Strategy- do you use all 3 bids on primetime guys, or use 1-2 bids on lesser-known guys, hoping to get the Day 1 qualifier? Day 2: Strategy- okay, you missed out on one bid. Do you try to re-up the Day 1 GM, knowing you'll be in a bidding war, or chart new territory by trying to secure bids on new guys? I mean, as big of a dumpster fire as Tier 1 is, I guess this comes closest to Joe's utopia of "true market value." But if we employ that same strategy in Tier 2 and 3, it's basically going to ruin it. JIm I wouldn't say there's much of any strategy to tier 2. It's a submit 3 bids, pray you're the only (or highest) bidder day 1, and then pray no one counter offers you on day 2. That's it. That's neither strategic nor realistic; it's just a guessing game of who can get the super discounts of the offseason. I like this system. If we wanted to have some kind of reigning in factor, we may be able to lock the eligible bidders after 48 hours of the player being posted or something? EDIT: And I'm pretty sure you have lamented about how far behind you can get in the first couple of days of tier 2 if your bids don't land. I don't really see what's so fun about a system where no matter how much money you have, you may be locked out of the best free agents. And on top of this all, if you lock teams out of the best free agents for tier 2, you are not only giving those lucky GMs a (potentially) severe discount, you are making the rest of the players' contracts on the market artificially inflated. I don't think it's any secret by now that the best days to sign players is the very beginning of tier 2 and the very end of tier 2. The middle portion of tier 2 is when everyone with money to burn bid up marginal talents because they have no where else to dump their money.
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Post by Elephanti! on Feb 28, 2019 8:23:41 GMT -5
Also, what did you guys expect to happen? The league as a collective had A SHIT TON of unused money coming into tier 1 -- of course the contracts are high.
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Post by LA Angels GM on Feb 28, 2019 8:43:07 GMT -5
Also, what did you guys expect to happen? The league as a collective had A SHIT TON of unused money coming into tier 1 -- of course the contracts are high. Agreed. I think we would be seeing these contracts even under the old system. There's a crazy amount of money out there.
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Post by Pirates GM on Feb 28, 2019 9:21:49 GMT -5
1. Quiet, JeffBot.
2. Attention all GMs in the 5 other divisions: If you guys could collectively sack up, and stop allllllll of the Tier 1 free agents from landing in the NL Central, that would be really great.
Thanks a bunch,
JIm
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Post by rockiesgm on Feb 28, 2019 21:55:59 GMT -5
Sean = Ollie North
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