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Post by Arizona on Jan 13, 2021 16:39:17 GMT -5
Minnesota, you're on the clock, but with no obligation to pick until February 1st
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Post by Pirates GM on Jan 13, 2021 17:07:23 GMT -5
Sooooo is there a chance we cut loose and let this bad boy go for 2 Rounds instead of just 1?
Hope so...
JIm
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Post by Arizona on Jan 13, 2021 18:41:17 GMT -5
Sooooo is there a chance we cut loose and let this bad boy go for 2 Rounds instead of just 1? Hope so... JIm I’d say there’s a decent chance of that, but very unlikely that it’s this year.
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Post by Pirates GM on Jan 13, 2021 22:11:03 GMT -5
I’d say there’s a decent chance of that, but very unlikely that it’s this year. That's a shame, Ian. It would be a super-simple change to make, and I think everyone's on board with it. JIm
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Post by seattlegm on Jan 13, 2021 22:57:40 GMT -5
I’d say there’s a decent chance of that, but very unlikely that it’s this year. That's a shame, Ian. It would be a super-simple change to make, and I think everyone's on board with it. JIm Agreed... no reason to not expand considering it hasn’t started yet.
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Post by Pirates GM on Jan 14, 2021 6:44:46 GMT -5
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Post by Arizona on Jan 14, 2021 8:15:50 GMT -5
That’s a high-quality meme right there...
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Post by rockiesgm on Jan 15, 2021 9:17:23 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you’re a committee member that gets a higher winter pick than you normally would have the year the IFA flood gates were opened up? Go ahead, raise them high and proud!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 10:29:43 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you’re a committee member that gets a higher winter pick than you normally would have the year the IFA flood gates were opened up? Go ahead, raise them high and proud!
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Post by Pirates GM on Jan 15, 2021 10:33:56 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you’re a committee member that gets a higher winter pick than you normally would have the year the IFA flood gates were opened up? Go ahead, raise them high and proud! It would be nice if this were addressed. This does not come off well for the league. Also not coming off well: Refusing to expand the Winter Draft, despite literally 100% of responding GMs asking for that, with zero negative implications from it. Some transparency would be nice, every now and then. JIm
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Post by LA Angels GM on Jan 15, 2021 12:01:05 GMT -5
It'd be interesting to see how many teams improve their draft spots vs. how many teams get worst draft picks. It would also be interesting to see the average amount of picks moved, either up or down, for the league as a whole.
Or something. I don't do data. That's Connor's job.
But if people are going to call out the committee for it (which is legit), it would be useful to know if they benefitted more or less than the average team.
I don't personally think anything nefarious was intended, but I do agree that the optics don't look too good.
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Post by Arizona on Jan 15, 2021 14:57:34 GMT -5
It'd be interesting to see how many teams improve their draft spots vs. how many teams get worst draft picks. It would also be interesting to see the average amount of picks moved, either up or down, for the league as a whole. Or something. I don't do data. That's Connor's job. But if people are going to call out the committee for it (which is legit), it would be useful to know if they benefitted more or less than the average team. I don't personally think anything nefarious was intended, but I do agree that the optics don't look too good. John, please don't feed the trolls. The draft order is based on your average win total from the last few years, so it is literally impossible to get a pick noticeably higher than you "normally would have," since the draft order is based of where you have actually picked. I thought you were a teacher?
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Post by Arizona on Jan 15, 2021 15:09:50 GMT -5
For those that aren't too smart, here you go:
San Francisco: Averaged pick 5.7 from 2017-2019 - Picks 6th in 2020 Milwaukee: Averaged pick 10 - Picks 9th LA Dodgers: Averaged pick 12.7 - Picks 17th (not sure how he got screwed over) NY Mets: Averaged pick 17 - Picks 18th Arizona: Averaged pick 21 - Picks 23rd And if you want to include Joe as the nefarious mastermind behind it all, the Chicago Cubs averaged pick 15.7 - Picks 14th
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Post by LA Angels GM on Jan 15, 2021 15:15:51 GMT -5
It'd be interesting to see how many teams improve their draft spots vs. how many teams get worst draft picks. It would also be interesting to see the average amount of picks moved, either up or down, for the league as a whole. Or something. I don't do data. That's Connor's job. But if people are going to call out the committee for it (which is legit), it would be useful to know if they benefitted more or less than the average team. I don't personally think anything nefarious was intended, but I do agree that the optics don't look too good. John, please don't feed the trolls. The draft order is based on your average win total from the last few years, so it is literally impossible to get a pick noticeably higher than you "normally would have," since the draft order is based of where you have actually picked. I thought you were a teacher? Wow. That was a jerkish response. I am a teacher. And that has to do... what with this?
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Post by Arizona on Jan 15, 2021 15:52:58 GMT -5
John, please don't feed the trolls. The draft order is based on your average win total from the last few years, so it is literally impossible to get a pick noticeably higher than you "normally would have," since the draft order is based of where you have actually picked. I thought you were a teacher? Wow. That was a jerkish response. I am a teacher. And that has to do... what with this? It was a jerkish response. I expect that kind of nonsense from Jim, and I was surprised that you gave it some legs. I expect a teacher to consider the source of reckless accusations and apply common sense to see if the accusations make.....sense. (Dang....another jerksish response....I may try to improve on that, depending on how the Ravens play tomorrow lol)
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Post by Cubbies on Jan 15, 2021 15:59:15 GMT -5
If the draft order hadn't been changed, this is how it would have gone. Also, despite this looking nefarious, this was announced a year ago. How were we to know that a pandemic would hit and they would remove like 40 minor league teams and completely restructure how they operate. I think there were rumors about this time last year, but it was no sure thing.
I added in the total number of slots a team moved by the change. Positive means they moved up, negative means they moved down.
1. Cleveland (-9) 2. Washington (-1) 3. Boston (-2) 4. Minnesota (+3) 5. Houston (+3) 6. Philadelphia (-5) 7. Cincinnati (0) 8. Seattle (-4) 9. San Francisco (+3) 10. Toronto (+6) 11. New York Yanks (+3) 12. Milwaukee (+4) 13. St. Louis (0) 14. Los Angeles Dodgers (-3) 15. Pittsburgh (-6) 16. Colorado (-11) 17. San Diego (-9) 18. Los Angeles Angels (-1) 19. Oakland (-5) 20. Miami (-2) 21. Tampa (-8) 22. Detroit (+7) 23. Atlanta (+7) 24. Chicago Cubs (+10) 25. Texas (0) 26. Baltimore (-4) 27. New York Mets (+9) 28. Chicago Sox (0) 29. Kansas City (+9) 30. Arizona (+7)
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Post by LA Angels GM on Jan 15, 2021 15:59:59 GMT -5
What's funny is, I'm actually for the rule. Of course, you can't see the side discussion a few of us have going on through e-mail, so I excuse you for not knowing that I defended it.
I do expect you to not bash my profession.
I do expect you to not say that I'm "not very smart," especially when you do not know me.
Also, I wasn't talking about "average draft position." I was talking about what their draft position would have been in the old way of conducting a draft vs. what their position is now with the new rule, and the average number of spots someone moved up or down.
Apparently, you think you're smarter than I am, so I would also expect you to know that.
I thought you were a nice guy. Apparently, we were both wrong about each other.
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Post by Pirates GM on Jan 15, 2021 16:00:29 GMT -5
Wow. That was a jerkish response. I am a teacher. And that has to do... what with this? It was a jerkish response. I expect that kind of nonsense from Jim, and I was surprised that you gave it some legs. Perhaps its time the Committee elects a different spokesperson, who can get their points across without alienating a number of GMs in the league, and debasing them. JIm
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Post by rockiesgm on Jan 15, 2021 16:03:40 GMT -5
It'd be interesting to see how many teams improve their draft spots vs. how many teams get worst draft picks. It would also be interesting to see the average amount of picks moved, either up or down, for the league as a whole. Or something. I don't do data. That's Connor's job. But if people are going to call out the committee for it (which is legit), it would be useful to know if they benefitted more or less than the average team. I don't personally think anything nefarious was intended, but I do agree that the optics don't look too good. John, please don't feed the trolls. The draft order is based on your average win total from the last few years, so it is literally impossible to get a pick noticeably higher than you "normally would have," since the draft order is based of where you have actually picked. I thought you were a teacher? For those of you who aren’t giant cunts, the “normally would have” was referring to where they would have picked according to their 2020 finish. I thought that was fairly obvious, but for future reference, I’ll break it down Barney-style so Ian can follow along.
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Post by marlinsgmed on Jan 15, 2021 16:06:24 GMT -5
I will speak as a non-committee member.
I say everyone stops belly-aching and let's draft. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but this discussion is as useless as a truckload of dead rats in a tampon factory.
This is like going to the senior citizen's center where my Mom lives and listening to men quarrel over the pool table when they can't stay up long enough to play.
Ian,
Any more comments about teachers and Milt will come for you!
Let's fucking go Ravens!
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Post by Arizona on Jan 15, 2021 16:31:18 GMT -5
For those of you who aren’t giant cunts, the “normally would have” was referring to where they would have picked according to their 2020 finish. I thought that was fairly obvious, but for future reference, I’ll break it down Barney-style so Ian can follow along. I'm contractually prohibited from speaking ill of Brian, on the grounds that he has 172 NL West titles, and I have 1.
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Post by rockiesgm on Jan 15, 2021 16:36:34 GMT -5
For those of you who aren’t giant cunts, the “normally would have” was referring to where they would have picked according to their 2020 finish. I thought that was fairly obvious, but for future reference, I’ll break it down Barney-style so Ian can follow along. I'm contractually prohibited from speaking ill of Brian, on the grounds that he has 172 NL West titles, and I have 1. Alright, now that’s how we can swing this conversation back around and all get along until I take the best player in this draft at pick #27. 😜👍
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Post by Texas GM on Jan 15, 2021 16:37:58 GMT -5
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Post by sanfran on Jan 15, 2021 23:40:21 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you’re a committee member that gets a higher winter pick than you normally would have the year the IFA flood gates were opened up? Go ahead, raise them high and proud! It would be nice if this were addressed. This does not come off well for the league. Also not coming off well: Refusing to expand the Winter Draft, despite literally 100% of responding GMs asking for that, with zero negative implications from it. Some transparency would be nice, every now and then. JIm Well it was decided that since we were all 'benefiting' from a superior draft there was no reason to double down and benefit twice. But I guess if you think we should have a second pick as well, maybe you're right?See, you can complain AND have it both ways. It was decided that we literally have ZERO information on new draft picks and reduced minor league experiences - and continuing Covid limitations. It would probably be MORE fair for people to have time to research new picks with some actual data. Feel free to tank in 2021 to get that extra pick! Seems to me waiting for an informed draft would be preferable to a blind crapshoot. And changes to length of drafts should not come the week before when we know exactly who benefits. We've kept draft changes a year out.
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Post by Pirates GM on Jan 16, 2021 8:50:17 GMT -5
See, you can complain AND have it both ways. It was decided that we literally have ZERO information on new draft picks and reduced minor league experiences - and continuing Covid limitations. It would probably be MORE fair for people to have time to research new picks with some actual data. Feel free to tank in 2021 to get that extra pick! Seems to me waiting for an informed draft would be preferable to a blind crapshoot. And changes to length of drafts should not come the week before when we know exactly who benefits. We've kept draft changes a year out. That reasoning is understandable. Thank you for explaining it, Travis. Maybe next time lead with that, rather than trotting Ian out to be a passive-aggressive smartass. It would be a much better look. JIm
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Post by sanfran on Jan 16, 2021 11:17:42 GMT -5
riiiight
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Post by Cubbies on Jan 16, 2021 13:03:31 GMT -5
Dominguez was the only player on my list, but I knew he'd go first. I have zero idea who any other of the IFA guys worth taking are nor any available top minor league players.
Said it before and I'll say it again... John Sickles site going dark has really ceased my minor league knowledge from continuing.
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Post by bluejaysgm on Jan 17, 2021 10:20:47 GMT -5
I think we should start a gofundme to help Joe subscribe to an internet service provider that allows him to use google search AND have access to more than just 2 websites, assuming of course that he has access to boards.net. really? minorleagueball shuts down and you have nothing? the delay that NSBL has in place on selecting INT amateurs means that Baseball Americas lists are out from behind the pay wall. I must be doing it wrong then. Their 2019 info is still behind a paywall when I try to look at it. I’ve been done using them since it all went to a paywall anyway, I just checked to see if it was going to be an extra resource and don’t see it available. I can see who each team signed but that is all.
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Post by rockiesgm on Jan 17, 2021 10:32:41 GMT -5
Hasn’t Sickles’ site been “dark” for years now? It’s a shame since it was a really good place to keep up with the minor leagues.
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Post by Pirates GM on Jan 17, 2021 12:43:07 GMT -5
Prospect information is getting more specialized. Whenever I'm searching for information, the majority of articles are now buried behind paywalls.
I find Fangraphs invaluable at this point, especially their Top 38 prospect series for each team. I used to think FG was a little too elitist for my liking, but they're one of the only shows left that isn't paywall-bound. I'm close to actually donating to them.
JIm
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