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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 13:11:53 GMT -5
Ian....you know its your pick right?
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Post by Cubbies on Jun 24, 2015 13:17:25 GMT -5
Joe loves his young guys..... Just as much as you love your pitchers to have #3 upside. Plus, didn't you just draft a guy named "Blew It"?
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Post by Arizona on Jun 24, 2015 13:25:49 GMT -5
Ian....you know its your pick right? I know. I do what I want...
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Post by bluejaysgm on Jun 24, 2015 13:31:46 GMT -5
I like the Jimenez pick. He was one on my list for the pick I added in the 4th rd.
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Post by Cubbies on Jun 24, 2015 13:31:45 GMT -5
Ian....you know its your pick right? I know. I do what I want...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 13:34:56 GMT -5
Back to back picks by committee members that scream roster expansion is coming.
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Post by Texas GM on Jun 24, 2015 13:37:05 GMT -5
I like the Jimenez pick. He was one on my list for the pick I added in the 4th rd. He was my next pick at 3.03. I was willing to wait on an OF of Aquino, Verdugo and Jimenez. Nobody likes Ian!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 13:37:39 GMT -5
I like the Jimenez pick. He was one on my list for the pick I added in the 4th rd. I had him slotted in with one of my 3rds. Lots of potential with that guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 13:38:01 GMT -5
Back to back picks by committee members that scream roster expansion is coming. Yeah, must be nice to be privy to that information
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Post by Cubbies on Jun 24, 2015 13:56:03 GMT -5
Considering this is the second time in the past two years that I've drafted a Freshmen POY from LSU proves this has nothing to do with possible roster expansion. It's how I draft. I've realized that drafting Floor Players and those with limited upsides is a losing proposition in a league with a hard roster cap. You end up with teams like the ones Sean and Rich are currently trying to turn around. You end up with mostly vets since even the "high floor-low ceiling" guys don't even reach their floor that often, and then you have to go out into free agency to fill your active roster. But if you draft a guy with ace-upside, and he falters, maybe he falters and ends up as only an RP instead of Double-A fodder like these guys being drafted whose best case scenario is #3 starter. Rich and Sean have done a lot to turn around their rosters, but you'll notice most of their active rosters are veteran contracts.
If you go back and look at teams that win consistently in this league you'll see they are active GMs with young rosters. They draft young with high upside. Even if you aren't that active (Kansas City), if you draft well, your team performs well. Pretty generalized statement here... but the more veterans contracts you have, the more likely you are to be near the bottom of the standings on a yearly basis (with some exceptions). Go through and check the teams that are consistently good. Most of them have a a low teens amount of veteran (13-14-15) contracts. Now check the teams that consistently finish near the bottom... many of them will have 18, 19, or 20 veteran contracts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 14:01:37 GMT -5
I have 11 vet contracts on my ML roster, Joe just called me a good drafter and a good team! Thanks Joe!
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Post by Cubbies on Jun 24, 2015 14:06:59 GMT -5
I have 11 vet contracts on my ML roster, Joe just called me a good drafter and a good team! Thanks Joe! Actually, you were the 'with some exceptions' parenthetical comment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 14:09:03 GMT -5
Damn Joe, I thought we were having a breakthrough!!
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Post by rockiesgm on Jun 24, 2015 14:27:55 GMT -5
I have 11 vet contracts on my ML roster, Joe just called me a good drafter and a good team! Thanks Joe! Actually, you were the 'with some exceptions' parenthetical comment. Look at the big brain on Joe! Do you know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
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Post by bluejaysgm on Jun 24, 2015 14:29:40 GMT -5
You guys are cracking me up. Love it!!
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Post by Cubbies on Jun 24, 2015 14:30:35 GMT -5
Actually, you were the 'with some exceptions' parenthetical comment. Look at the big brain on Joe! Do you know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France? Royale with Cheese.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 14:38:04 GMT -5
Considering this is the second time in the past two years that I've drafted a Freshmen POY from LSU proves this has nothing to do with possible roster expansion. It's how I draft. I've realized that drafting Floor Players and those with limited upsides is a losing proposition in a league with a hard roster cap. You end up with teams like the ones Sean and Rich are currently trying to turn around. You end up with mostly vets since even the "high floor-low ceiling" guys don't even reach their floor that often, and then you have to go out into free agency to fill your active roster. But if you draft a guy with ace-upside, and he falters, maybe he falters and ends up as only an RP instead of Double-A fodder like these guys being drafted whose best case scenario is #3 starter. Rich and Sean have done a lot to turn around their rosters, but you'll notice most of their active rosters are veteran contracts. If you go back and look at teams that win consistently in this league you'll see they are active GMs with young rosters. They draft young with high upside. Even if you aren't that active (Kansas City), if you draft well, your team performs well. Pretty generalized statement here... but the more veterans contracts you have, the more likely you are to be near the bottom of the standings on a yearly basis (with some exceptions). Go through and check the teams that are consistently good. Most of them have a a low teens amount of veteran (13-14-15) contracts. Now check the teams that consistently finish near the bottom... many of them will have 18, 19, or 20 veteran contracts. Lighten up Francis.
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Post by rockiesgm on Jun 24, 2015 14:44:21 GMT -5
Look at the big brain on Joe! Do you know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France? Royale with Cheese. A Royale with cheese! You know why they call it that?
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Post by Texas GM on Jun 24, 2015 14:50:25 GMT -5
A Royale with cheese! You know why they call it that? Joe, before you guess it, no, it has nothing to do with the yeast infection that George Brett's wife had back in 85.
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Post by Pirates GM on Jun 24, 2015 17:06:12 GMT -5
If you go back and look at teams that win consistently in this league you'll see they are active GMs with young rosters. They draft young with high upside. I don't think that's necessarily the only way to build a competitive team. I probably draft more older guys (ages 23-25) than almost anyone. But I'm getting guys that are near-locks to contribute something positive at the MLB level, because a lot of them already are at the time I draft them. And I think that strategy can work too. My roster only has 8 V contracts with my recent addition of Huston Street. Most years, I can fill a roster prior to FA, which I think is a good thing. The other thing I don't think you're considering is the high flame-out rate of drafting these "high ceiling" guys. To get them before they make it big prospect-wise, you usually have to nab them when they're only 17 or 18 years old, meaning they're still a good 4-6 years away from the show, and have a very short professional track record. Every year, I watch GMs getting off on their keyboards over these great picks, and then you don't hear from a lot of them ever again. The flame out rate is too high. On the flip side, it's rare that I ever even have a guy make a top 100 prospect list, but a lot of the guys I draft still wind up being productive MLBers. There's certainly merit to the strategy you're advocating, but I also think it's incorrect to claim that's the only way to do it. JIm
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Post by Cubbies on Jun 24, 2015 17:41:04 GMT -5
If you go back and look at teams that win consistently in this league you'll see they are active GMs with young rosters. They draft young with high upside. I don't think that's necessarily the only way to build a competitive team. I probably draft more older guys (ages 23-25) than almost anyone. But I'm getting guys that are near-locks to contribute something positive at the MLB level, because a lot of them already are at the time I draft them. And I think that strategy can work too. My roster only has 8 V contracts with my recent addition of Huston Street. Most years, I can fill a roster prior to FA, which I think is a good thing. The other thing I don't think you're considering is the high flame-out rate of drafting these "high ceiling" guys. To get them before they make it big prospect-wise, you usually have to nab them when they're only 17 or 18 years old, meaning they're still a good 4-6 years away from the show, and have a very short professional track record. Every year, I watch GMs getting off on their keyboards over these great picks, and then you don't hear from a lot of them ever again. The flame out rate is too high. On the flip side, it's rare that I ever even have a guy make a top 100 prospect list, but a lot of the guys I draft still wind up being productive MLBers. There's certainly merit to the strategy you're advocating, but I also think it's incorrect to claim that's the only way to do it. JIm Maybe "young" wasn't the right word. What I mean is "XXX-6th" and your team definitely fits that definition. As you said, you've only got eight veteran contracts right now. You only have one player who is XXX-6th year making more than 5 million. You have 15 players who are XXX-6th making under $3.7MM each. These young (and most are in their mid-20s, right?) are cheap and allow you to spend $22MM+ on one star. You don't draft a lot of A+ or AA players. You do take more AAA and MLB players in the draft, meaning you do get more assurances that they will be usable on the sim. You also trade for a lot of players with depressed value at the time, and have gotten lucky on many of them. I don't recall all your transactions, but I think all of Gio, Kipnis, A. Miller, and maybe Ozuna came to you in trade? Other than Goldy (9th overall), Seagar (13th overall), and Carpenter (4th round), do you have a lot of top tier talent that you've drafted and developed yourself? You've got some role players, but I also see a reserve roster that is littered with busted prospects. I still believe drafting for ceiling is the way to build perennial winners. It's why most MLB teams do it. Attrition is going to hit all types of prospects. But drafting guys with low floors means when they bust, there is no where for them to go. But when MLB Top 10 pick "ace" pitchers bust... then you have dominating closers like Andrew Miller.
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Post by Bal-Ty-more on Jun 24, 2015 18:25:46 GMT -5
Hey Joe, when you have the winning Powerball numbers you don't tell them to other people so you can split the money. You keep the prize to yourself.
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Post by Pirates GM on Jun 24, 2015 19:19:34 GMT -5
Other than Goldy (9th overall), Seagar (13th overall), and Carpenter (4th round), do you have a lot of top tier talent that you've drafted and developed yourself? Well, I've drafted all of the following players over the past few seasons: Paul Goldschmidt Jeff Samardzija Julio Teheran Tyson Ross Starling Marte Kyle Seager Danny Salazar Hector Santiago Yan Gomes Melky Cabrera Asdrubal Cabrera John Jaso Jed Lowrie Derek Holland John Jay Nate Karns I've also drafted the following players, which are not top tier, but are serviceable Major Leaguers, and still a part of my roster: Cameron Maybin Andrew Chafin Jeff Locke Jordy Mercer Peter O'Brien In summary... 40% of my rotation 46% of my hitters ...are players that I drafted. I think that's pretty solid. JIm
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Post by Bal-Ty-more on Jun 24, 2015 20:03:13 GMT -5
Well that certainly explains why you've only been to the playoffs like once in twelve years.
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Post by Pirates GM on Jun 24, 2015 20:07:01 GMT -5
Well that certainly explains why you've only been to the playoffs like once in twelve years. ? JIm
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Post by Cubbies on Jun 24, 2015 20:33:48 GMT -5
Well that certainly explains why you've only been to the playoffs like once in twelve years. Ha ha! Burn!
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Post by Pirates GM on Jun 24, 2015 20:38:25 GMT -5
Or maybe it had something to do with being given the roster of the 2002 Pittsburgh Pirates, a 72-89 team in the midst of a 20-year losing streak with one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball.
Maybe.
JIm
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Post by bluejaysgm on Jun 24, 2015 20:46:34 GMT -5
Or maybe it had something to do with being given the roster of the 2002 Pittsburgh Pirates, a 72-89 team in the midst of a 20-year losing streak with one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball. Maybe. JIm I think it is more: Crappy luck with the sim You've had teams that on paper look very good and sim terrible. It seems like there is always a few teams that "look" like they should sim differently than they do every year. I've noticed it in DMBO too.
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Post by Arizona on Jun 25, 2015 6:31:56 GMT -5
With the 29th pick of the 2nd round the Mets choose: Jakson Reetz - C - Washington Nationals Oakland is on the clock. Nice pick, Hayes He's a long way away, but I like that pick a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 7:06:21 GMT -5
With the 29th pick of the 2nd round the Mets choose: Jakson Reetz - C - Washington Nationals Oakland is on the clock. Nice pick, Hayes He's a long way away, but I like that pick a lot. Thanks Ian. He is a long way out but my catching situation is such that I should be able to wait.
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