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Post by bluejaysgm on May 16, 2023 16:34:04 GMT -5
Thanks, I forgot about that.
I went back and found it from last summer.
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Post by sanfran on May 16, 2023 17:31:53 GMT -5
Good news is I've played OOTP for about 15 years. Bad news is I've never been in charge of sim'ing a league. But none of us have.
Hoping to get setup ASAP-upon getting access to the FTP and posting systems. We'll sim a demo few weeks (half season?) just to make sure everybody knows how uploads work and can make changes successfully. Maybe see how injuries and some defense works for your team. Then we'll kill the demo year, restart with spring training on a more normal schedule. Actual details to be shared when we get closer.
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Post by LA Angels GM on May 17, 2023 11:32:13 GMT -5
I'm still excited to be switching to OOTP. Like Colby said, DMB is a dinosaur. OOTP is light years ahead of it in terms of options and realism.
I knew, as all of us should have, that setting it all up was going to take some time. Especially with a smaller league like this which is being held together by just a few committee members, getting it set up would be hard. I also expect several headaches throughout this year. MLBSA was behind us in terms of loading rosters, but we just simmed our first week. However, that is a much larger league with a bigger committee. Naturally, things would move faster when more people are working on it.
So, I'm not concerned about that. I am concerned about the lack of communication. We just went, like, 2 weeks or so with crickets. No updates. Nothing. A simple, "we're still trying to figure it out, this thing is a doozy!" would've been helpful. I was starting to wonder if the league folded without a word.
This year will be tough, but I really do think it will be worth it in the long run. Very few people who are veterans of sim leagues want to join a DMB based league anymore. I'm convinced of that. It's all OOTP right now. I do think that this will make the league stronger in the long run and help it grow by recruiting new members. I think it will increase participation amongst the older members. We just gotta get through this year, and if it takes us until Christmas to get through the year, so be it.
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Post by raysgm on May 17, 2023 14:59:09 GMT -5
I'm still excited to be switching to OOTP. Like Colby said, DMB is a dinosaur. OOTP is light years ahead of it in terms of options and realism. I knew, as all of us should have, that setting it all up was going to take some time. Especially with a smaller league like this which is being held together by just a few committee members, getting it set up would be hard. I also expect several headaches throughout this year. MLBSA was behind us in terms of loading rosters, but we just simmed our first week. However, that is a much larger league with a bigger committee. Naturally, things would move faster when more people are working on it. So, I'm not concerned about that. I am concerned about the lack of communication. We just went, like, 2 weeks or so with crickets. No updates. Nothing. A simple, "we're still trying to figure it out, this thing is a doozy!" would've been helpful. I was starting to wonder if the league folded without a word. This year will be tough, but I really do think it will be worth it in the long run. Very few people who are veterans of sim leagues want to join a DMB based league anymore. I'm convinced of that. It's all OOTP right now. I do think that this will make the league stronger in the long run and help it grow by recruiting new members. I think it will increase participation amongst the older members. We just gotta get through this year, and if it takes us until Christmas to get through the year, so be it. That's partially my fault. I kept checking the boards/emails waiting for word from Joe because I didn't want to feel nagging or anything, but if I felt in the dark, then the rest of the league would have felt even more in the dark. So partially it's that. Partially it's that we don't have a true commissioner, and realistically only 2 full committee members between Travis and me, and two 1/2 committee members regarding Sean and Joe's legacy help. Matt Hop is technically on the committee as well, but I know has been quite busy and a little on the edge over whether he's willing to be a committee member. This is my hope as well. Fingers crossed it works. I would also really like to advocate for the league to have a better chat option besides this forum. The forum is outdated and not really made for direct messaging very well. Email works, but is also a bit more formal. I know some in the league text, and the Slack channel never really got off the ground besides a handful of us talking. Is it worth trying to revive the Slack? Move to a different forum (Reddit...ew, but maybe?)? Try a Discord? One of the issues with the forum is that *you* have to actively go and check. Having a committed messaging app on your phone allows you to be *notified* when contacted instead.
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Post by LA Angels GM on May 17, 2023 19:49:19 GMT -5
I don't think it's really anyone's fault. Certainly not yours. I asked what was going on once, and like you, didn't want to sound like I was nagging by asking again. But yeah, the small committee will make everything super slow. I get that. I do feel that we are being held together by only you and Travis right now, that wihout you guys, this league would fold. We're a league full of people who don't really want to commit to a lot of work, and I am more guilty of that than anyone. I mean, that's basically the league's motto: "Want a streamlined sim league experience? Then we're the league for you!" That's why so many long-time owners have stayed, because it requires less time than other sim leagues. So I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just concerned about the lack of communication. If we want to lure people to join, we need communication. And I'm as guilty of that as anyone.
Maybe a new chat feature would help? Honestly, I'm old, so new things confuse me. And I don't think I would like the idea of getting multiple notifications a day about league chat that I'm not interested in. If the youngin's think it would help and want to try it, I would give it a go, though. I love NSBL, and am all for doing as little as possible to help.
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Post by Pirates GM on May 17, 2023 19:53:23 GMT -5
I was afraid of this going like this. The league was already hemorrhaging owners and lost a key committee member, then decided on a major platform undertaking was the fix. The thing that was really bothersome is that everyone that bought DMB last year gets a free $24.99 e-card towards purchase this year, due to last year's delay. The disc is going to be out next week. Instead, we're all going to struggle with the new format and I expect that there will be further lack of interest and more turnover, when, in reality, the only thing that was broken was the inability to retain and recruit owners. I agree with this. Guys dropped $39.99 each to take the leap and transition to OOTP, and now it looks like the leadership wanting us to make that change are not seeing it through. That is very disappointing. *** It sounds like the major issue is working out the bugs with FTP. Over in MLBSA (too many abbreviations going on here), Daryl and Marlin have been working for weeks straight to make the transition to OOTP, and it sounds like they made a big breakthrough with it, with the help of a veteran GM from WLSB, which has been running OOTP for some time. Here is the breakthrough, in case Travis, etc. run into the same issues here while trying to save this sinking ship: We have the fix! FTP issues are corrected! Here's what I need EVERYBODY to do, IF the above download feature doesn't work. If you got the above to work, you can go straight to your team, and export to ftp when ready:
Close OOTP. The game MUST be closed during this process. Download the file that's attached to this post. File is: accountsdata_gms.dat Copy this file. Open the File Finder on your computer and go to OOTP Baseball 24>saved_games>latest league file(mine is named MLBSA.lg. Yours could be slightly different)>settings. Paste the accountsdata_gms.dat file in here. It will ask if you want to replace the old file. Yes, you do. When completed, you can close your File Finder. Now open OOTP and Load the game like you normally do. Once it has loaded go to File>Online League>Download Latest League File. When loading is complete, it should indicate to you that the file has successfully updated. The date should read April 8th You can make lineup adjustments now and Export via FTP when ready. Once you've done this then you should just have to Download Latest League File after each sim and Export via FTP when you're done with your lineup changes. Very easy.JIm
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Post by raysgm on May 17, 2023 22:12:13 GMT -5
So I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just concerned about the lack of communication. If we want to lure people to join, we need communication. And I'm as guilty of that as anyone. Maybe a new chat feature would help? Honestly, I'm old, so new things confuse me. And I don't think I would like the idea of getting multiple notifications a day about league chat that I'm not interested in. If the youngin's think it would help and want to try it, I would give it a go, though. I love NSBL, and am all for doing as little as possible to help. The good thing about Slack/Discord is that you can turn notifications off for the most part, but *IF* you need to be notified, certain ones still push through. Personally, I think this would help ease the communication burden. I know for me, if I have a little update, it's kind of a burden to go to the forum, login, and make a post, and then nobody will really see it for hours/days depending on how often they check. I could send an email blast but that's even more of a burden, plus once people start responding the email threads get out of control. In Slack/Discord (I'm sure there are others, these are just the two I'm most familiar with), it's easy to just pop in and say a quick couple sentences. If you want to be updated on every message, great, you'll see it immediately. If not, you can mute a channel, but when there is something important, I can type @here and it will notify everybody. I find it useful. I'm not sure if everybody else does.
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Post by Elephanti! on May 18, 2023 8:26:10 GMT -5
I am in for Discord. Slack, I don't use, so I probably won't remember to check very often (like the one that we had (still have?)).
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Post by Pirates GM on May 18, 2023 9:44:38 GMT -5
Thinking outside of the box, here's an option:
We all know how to use Diamond Mind well, and already have the software. Since Travis is jumping into a very deep end of the pool right now, we could always consider simming the current season with DM, gradually work the bugs out of the OOTP process, and then go full OOTP in 2024.
I don't know how close we are, but I know the MLBSA guys have been working 24/7 to transition to OOTP. Our first sim is now posted, but there's still some small hurdles to overcome.
I think a lot of us were excited about transitioning to OOTP, but if we're in full-on "Save the League" mode, maybe that buys us a year, and keeps guys here rather than bolting for greener pastures.
JIm
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Post by Elephanti! on May 18, 2023 10:04:52 GMT -5
I will tell you right now that if we are on DMB, my participation will be pretty much nonexistent. I will set an opening day roster then forget about it again. It's a pain in the ass to use that software with a bunch of tedious steps of finding the right files to import, then emailing and shit.
In OOTP it's all contained within the software itself after setting up the league save file on your machine.
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Post by bluejaysgm on May 18, 2023 11:47:25 GMT -5
I will tell you right now that if we are on DMB, my participation will be pretty much nonexistent. I will set an opening day roster then forget about it again. It's a pain in the ass to use that software with a bunch of tedious steps of finding the right files to import, then emailing and shit. In OOTP it's all contained within the software itself after setting up the league save file on your machine. LOL, I'm just the opposite. I'd rather stick with what I know and use DMB.
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Post by Pirates GM on May 18, 2023 12:00:39 GMT -5
I will tell you right now that if we are on DMB, my participation will be pretty much nonexistent. I will set an opening day roster then forget about it again. It's a pain in the ass to use that software with a bunch of tedious steps of finding the right files to import, then emailing and shit. In OOTP it's all contained within the software itself after setting up the league save file on your machine. Right. But it seems like at least the initial OOTP is even harder to set up, has caused some of our guys to quit, and threatens the future of NSBL if we can't figure it out in a timely manner. I am excited about a transition to OOTP. From the little bit I've seen in MLBSA- and the many years I've played 4 versions of OOTP Go! on my phone- it's the long-term way to go. But if we've only got a 10-20% chance of having a league this year by clinging to figuring out OOTP vs. an 80-90% chance of having a league by quickly jumping back into DM for a season, that makes sense to me to consider it. JIm
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on May 18, 2023 14:22:12 GMT -5
I don't think it's that dire of a situation. We have someone familiar OOTP learning to run the sim. We can sim the season whenever we get setup at whatever speed works for the participants.
People have spent money getting OOTP. There are enough active GMs that believe it is the best option for the future of the league. I didn't think the transition would be this difficult, but I never really spent time on the logistics because I didn't want to change.
Everything is going to be ok. Thankfully, one of the features of OOTP that works better than DMB is how unmanaged teams are run by the AI. If everyone is correct about OOTP, then rebuilding the league GM base shouldn't be that big of a problem.
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Post by nestorm15 on May 18, 2023 17:47:53 GMT -5
I am fine with either. I don't mind waiting. I don't mind siming till Christmas. It tides me over after baseball season.
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Post by raysgm on May 22, 2023 12:22:43 GMT -5
Quick update, transferring the commissioner/roster stuff from Joe to Travis hit a snag so Travis is having to import the rosters again. This shouldn't be a huge delay, but just another speedbump to handle.
No idea on any sort of timeline soon, but this snag shouldn't affect it too much
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Post by sanfran on May 23, 2023 22:08:49 GMT -5
All right. I think we've got some good news! I'm jumping the gun here after 1 positive test. I've got the file built and FTP working. There's probably kinks left, but nothing fixes that like getting a bunch of noobs mucking around in the game!
I'm working on getting all our GMs setup with game logins. I'll email you directly with those instructions. Starting Wednesday. Test downloading, make roster changes, send updates. We aren't going live until we get a couple of weeks of practice games in.
The file right now is missing a handful of players, I'll get those added and there may be some obscure names/college guys not in the file. Probably will create stub accounts for those guys down the road. The roster spreadsheet will always remain the master roster.
I am out of town this weekend. Any issues feel free to email, we'll be on hold Friday-Monday.
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Post by sanfran on May 24, 2023 16:58:21 GMT -5
I'm sending out league invites to everyone tonight. I am leaving town until late Monday (planned before league duties) so don't expect a good response on league setup. Post questions here in thread, many of you will probably have the same questions.
Free Agency signings are off until we finish league setup/testing. No claiming a guy with a crazy good OOTP projection yet. Rosters should be 98% complete. College players will not be on your OOTP roster. Some obscure players may be missing as well. For now post anyone but prioritize players that will actually be useful. The spreadsheet is always our roster/ownership source. Quentin Holmes WSN - Micker Adolfo CWS - Jalen Miller ATL - Emilio Vargas NYY - seem unavailable on the OOTP roster disk. All are currently in Independent ball IRL. Other missing could be set as retired and can be activated.
Downloading the initial roster is 400Mb. I am unsure if it will be the full file every time, I am looking into that. Feel free to download and test the FTP upload/download. Sending multiple updates will not hurt the game. File > Online League > Download Latest League File AND Export Your Team via FTP are the two primary interactions with the league.
Set your rosters yourself. Minor leagues will not sim games. Keep your minor leaguers in AAA/AA. Doesn't really matter which. I'm putting valuable possible callups in AAA and distant guys in AA.
Ratings and development. Don't get over focused on *** value ratings. There are biases(speed). Development and Potential is not relevant to our league. Player development is disabled. Players abilities change year to year, not in sim. A current 30 bat future 60, should end the season as a 30/60. No position development either. You can still tryout players at alternate positions.
Free Agents and Trades are disallowed in game. These will be handled in forums same as usual. Right now Travis is the only GM with Commissioner permission. We will reevaluate the practicality of this as the season carries on.
Schedule is set to 'Balanced'. This should mean we play everyone, rather than follow MLB schedules.
MLB rules. Reliever 3 batter minimum and Extra Inning Ghost runner are turned on. Ghost runner off for playoffs.
OOTP version. If you have OOTP through STEAM, you are good to go!! If you were like me and got the standalone client directly from OOTP, you will have to stay on the current version. Minor patches can potentially mess with download/uploads. Most likely as the sim agent this problem will happen to me first. I'll let you know when an update is out there.
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Post by sanfran on May 24, 2023 17:03:07 GMT -5
I'm sending email invites. To join the league, copy the invitation code and all ==== signs. Everything from ==== xaijdofjasdjf ====== it's a long code.
Open OOTP. At the bottom of the startup splash screen is a series of options. Go to > Quick-Join Online League. Paste that === === code here. Hit Join.
it's a 400+ Mb download will take a couple minutes the first time. Then you should have a team selector with the GM names on it. Click your name. Enter your password, which I am including on the top of that same email. This login limits access to just changing your team's roster. Make any changes you want. Set lineups and rotation. Practice the upload function when complete. You can reupload if you make a later tweak.
I will not be updating that source file until next week. But you should receive a success notice on submitting changes.
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Post by Elephanti! on May 24, 2023 19:10:37 GMT -5
When I enter the code, it brings up the select manager window, but there are only a few managers: Attachments:
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Post by Nationals on May 24, 2023 19:32:36 GMT -5
When I enter the code, it brings up the select manager window, but there are only a few managers: same for me
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Post by sanfran on May 24, 2023 19:49:16 GMT -5
try it again now. You'll probably have to reload from the original link to get the correct updated master file. This is one of those weird settings I can't test locally. I know how it works manually, but automating could go a couple of ways.
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Post by Elephanti! on May 24, 2023 19:58:20 GMT -5
Works now
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Post by sanfran on May 24, 2023 21:14:49 GMT -5
This makes me happy. We're almost there guys!
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Post by Texas GM on May 25, 2023 9:15:56 GMT -5
I didn't get an email invite.
Nevermind, I found it in spam
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Post by bluejaysgm on May 25, 2023 17:56:04 GMT -5
I don't see "Online League Quick Start"
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Post by bluejaysgm on May 25, 2023 17:57:40 GMT -5
NVM, I see it now.
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Post by bluejaysgm on May 25, 2023 18:02:04 GMT -5
Can someone share how to see zips ratings for 2023 when looking at my team on OOTP?
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Post by bluejaysgm on May 25, 2023 18:09:28 GMT -5
How do I move a player to AAA when it won't let me click and drag him? It tells me I have to keep him up on 60 man because he has a ML contract.
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Post by Elephanti! on May 25, 2023 18:33:34 GMT -5
Add him to your 60 man roster first, then you should be able to move him to AAA.
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Post by yankees on May 25, 2023 23:21:06 GMT -5
A few things I ran in to I have players on my roster that shouldn’t be there and I can move them off roster Dylan Dodd. Won’t let me move chase lee not showing Carmen mlod. Won’t let me move
And I’d release Escobar on accident
That’s all I have right now
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