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Post by Texas GM on May 7, 2016 11:18:16 GMT -5
I don't know if the idea ever came up or was discussed, but I kind of like an idea that I heard from a friend of mine. They added an extra round to their draft, one that cannot be dealt. After the Summer Draft is concluded, the order of the draft means nothing. Each team simply gets to select one player from only their affiliated organization. All previous summer draft regulations apply to that pick too. It doesn't punish anyone else in the draft with lots of picks, nor does it stop that player from being taken before that 6th and supplemental round. It's simply a way to further connect to your hometown team.
Thoughts on this?
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Post by LA Angels GM on May 7, 2016 11:59:21 GMT -5
I'm open to anything that makes the draft bigger.
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Post by Pirates GM on May 7, 2016 14:36:57 GMT -5
Mark, I actually proposed this idea years ago here, but people flipped the hell out about it.
The general response was, "If my team's real life farm system is way worse than other teams' farm systems, then I shouldn't be punished for it!!!!!!!!"
I personally really like the idea. I feel like there's very little linking our NSBL sim teams to the real life MLB teams.
JIm
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Post by raysgm on May 7, 2016 15:09:12 GMT -5
I'm not for it. I don't see the need to be linked with the real life Rays. Plus, like Jim said, it will non-rationally help/hurt various teams throughout the league given the disproportionate distribution of talent across the real life MLB. Why should the John M. and Ken K. be hurt because LAA and MIA have poor farm systems while Rich C. and Thomas V. get a stronger prospect because their RL counterpart have deep systems? Doesn't make sense to me, even though my team would benefit from the system, as TB has a well-stocked system with guys that fit my drafting profile.
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Post by Pirates GM on May 7, 2016 21:06:24 GMT -5
Eh. Here's my counter, Con-her:
This would basically be a 5th round pick, technically 6th round if you count the Winter Draft in the offseason. At that point in the draft, I don't think one really benefits from having a real-life strong system, or is hindered by a real-life weak one. All of the name prospects are long gone from all of the teams. At that point, everyone is either picking career grinders hoping to strike gold, college guys that just got drafted, or ultra-raw ultra-low level guys.
I think the real-life strengths or weaknesses of teams' systems are pretty much neutralized at that point.
JIm
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Post by raysgm on May 8, 2016 1:51:10 GMT -5
Well Jim, there are a number of things I find wrong. You may disagree with some (or all) of them, so I am going to list them.
1) You're correct that all the biggest name prospects will be picked. But there are always a ton of guys at the end of the draft that I wish I had an extra pick to take. These players are not evenly distributed among all 30 teams. That's an imbalance. I know there are other GMs that feel similarly after the draft, and I doubt their lists have a player from each team ranked equivalently.
2) You mention you're picking career grinders, recent real life picks, or ultra-raw low level guys. In general that's correct. But again, all 30 organizations won't have a player of that caliber. Take last year, the Phillies would get a huge boom in the 5th round, as Odubel Herrera would be a perfect type of player under your description. Similarly, the Orioles would snatch a huge piece for the back of their pen in Michal Givens. What about the Twins? Even if they wanted to, they wouldn't have the option to take a guy of that stature. Plus, they didn't have a 2nd round pick, and their 1st and 1.S picks were picked long before (Tyler Jay and Kyle Cody). They'd essentially be left choosing a guy from the later in the draft (their highest unpicked player was #80 - Travis Blankenhorn) or taking some pretty marginal prospect from their extremely top heavy system. J.T. Chargois? Travis Harrison? Jermaine Palacios? Stuart Turner? The list isn't as inspiring as some of the other teams. Why should we essentially gift the Phillies, Braves, or Orioles with an extremely valuable piece while limiting the options of the Twins to a situation where their best option may be a 25 year old reliever in high-A after missing two full seasons. It doesn't make sense to me.
3) Let's say that their is an environment in which all available talent is evenly distributed in this 5th round. Essentially, the player each team selects is exactly equal in present value. At this point, you're still left to rely on your RL team's player development system. As a generalization, think about how much this could stand to benefit the Cardinals, who can seemingly turn beggars off the street into above average major league talent. Now compare that to a team like the Padres whose best homegrown player in recent memory is...Will Venable? Jedd Gyorko? Again, it's an non-rational gift to each team that over the long run will have drastically different value depending on which name your team has on the front of their hypothetical jerseys.
4) Why do we want to connect to our real-life counterparts again? It makes sense for some of us. I know you're a Pirate fan in real life, so that lines up well. I imagine Joe likes the Cubs and Sean likes the Brewers since they chose those franchises to mirror back in 2003. But take the newer GMs. Mark in Houston, Tim L. in Detroit, or Nathan F. in Kansas City may not have any association or desire to have an association with the real life Astros, Tigers, or Royals. They simply control these teams because they were available. Why do we want to force them to link with their real life counterparts? As for me, although the two places I've lived in my life (California and Quebec) are super far away from Tampa Bay, I still generally like the Rays; I like their roster, like their front office, like their uniforms, and even kind of like their ridiculous stadium. That said, I feel no need to be forced to have my NSBL Rays be any more associated with the real life Rays other than sharing a name and a virtual stadium. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this, but I'd place my bets on many other GM feeling similarly.
If you disagree with me on these 4 points, consider this:
5) Let's add a 5th round. The rest of the league will draft normally, but GMs who choose to could just draft players from their home organization and feel the linkage of their NSBL team to the real life team. The player pool will still be filled with the same players ("career grinders hoping to strike gold, college guys that just got drafted, or ultra-raw ultra-low level guys") so there shouldn't be any regret about being locked into selecting from a player pool 1/30th the size of the rest of the league. If you do feel regret about your player pool being smaller than everybody else, then this is a contradiction, and the talent distribution is not negligible as you suggested, and thus, the format would create an uneven playing field across the 30 teams. If you don't mind your player pool being shrunk, then I question why we feel the need to push these changes upon all teams when the perfectly good option exists of teams who want to, can just draft their own players any time they want!
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Post by Pirates GM on May 8, 2016 6:42:39 GMT -5
I think you're being overly dramatic here, Con-her. If a team drafts well for the previous 5+ picks they've made that year, being asked to draft a player from their real life counterparts in round 6 isn't going to drastically make or break any team. Obviously you aren't a fan of it, but I think it's a neat, creative idea that's worth exploring.
Plus, I know from social media that you still openly touch yourself from the Jamie Lee Curtis lingerie scene in True Lies, which you have on VHS.
JIm
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Post by Texas GM on May 8, 2016 11:04:11 GMT -5
Plus, I know from social media that you still openly touch yourself from the Jamie Lee Curtis lingerie scene in True Lies, which you have on VHS. JIm To this, I could only ask "who doesn't do that"? Back then, she was truly in the rotation of justice.
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Post by Cubbies on May 8, 2016 11:12:59 GMT -5
Her arm looks like Zoom's when he's going to move through a solid object on The Flash.
I think True Lies might be older than Connor.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on May 8, 2016 11:38:53 GMT -5
Why did Sean choose the Brewers back in '03? Because I'm a Mariners fan (and the Mariners were unavailable when Joe introduced me to the league). Also, I like the color yellow!
I always look at the Brewers prospects to see if there is a guy that fits what I'm looking for. Demi Orimoloye was a guy I found because I was reviewing the Brewers draft picks for that year. I liked what I read about him, so I just grabbed him. I'm not really trying to be connected to my real-life counterpart, but it adds another level of challenge to it all. I've actually had to simplify my personal rules these last couple seasons because I let my team get into terrible disrepair.
The actual compromise is more complex. We add a 5th round. The draft order stays relevant and will match that year's draft order. If there is a prospect in your team's RL system, you may pick them. If you don't like the players that your RL system has to offer, you simply pass. If you pass this pick, it gets moved to the end of the round where you can then pick any draft eligible player. These picks would, of course, have a NTC attached to them. This round also could be added as a 2nd rd of the winter draft instead of a 5th rd of the summer draft.
There's the compromise. It's super convoluted!
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Post by Whitesox on May 8, 2016 11:44:25 GMT -5
I have no real attachment towards the white sox. They where the worst team that was open when I joined, so I chose them. I see the fun possibility behind this, but I think the disproportionate balances of real life farm systems are way off. Some teams spend a huge amount of money each year at IFA's and what not, and really value having a deep farm system (dodgers, redsox, rangers). Other teams see prospects as trade chips and dont really care about the state of their farm system if they have a good team in the majors (tigers, angels, white sox).
This is no doubt a fun and interesting idea, and I would like to hear more GMs opinions on it. But major league teams with a good history of deep farm systems will have a massive advantage over teams who value their farm system differently.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 20:57:59 GMT -5
I'm with Conner on this. There is nothing keeping anyone from drafting from their namesake team. I have hated the Mets since 1987.
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