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Post by Pirates GM on Dec 10, 2016 10:51:12 GMT -5
Not sure why Philly should have to kick in $5MM in 2017 and 2018 to move Carlos Santana after a monster 34 HR, 865 OPS season, especially when the 3 prospects coming back are probably C+/B- prospects.
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Post by Texas GM on Dec 10, 2016 18:38:01 GMT -5
Not sure why Philly should have to kick in $5MM in 2017 and 2018 to move Carlos Santana after a monster 34 HR, 865 OPS season, especially when the 3 prospects coming back are probably C+/B- prospects. JIm It's not easy to divest oneself of a 38M contract when you're 15M+ over the cap, everyone knows it and has you over a barrel. It might just be me, but I think the trade works for both teams and I think Gant is a legit future MLB SP. I have no idea how many offers were sought out, but this isn't that bad imo. More so, bottom line is that you can't be writing 19M checks to one guy on a 93M team. One small step for man.........
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Dec 10, 2016 23:37:50 GMT -5
I'm not happy that John had to make that deal, but it should work out for him after he ditches his bad option years on older players. He's got work to do, but he'll field a reasonable team.
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Post by Pirates GM on Dec 14, 2016 18:57:22 GMT -5
I just saw Washington's first trade. Holy shit.
It's like he's saying, "Hey guys, this is how big I am down there. I'm about to roll roughshod over this entire damn league."
I'm frankly intimidated right now.
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Post by Texas GM on Dec 14, 2016 19:14:02 GMT -5
Wow, what a trade between WASH and TOR. I love that Sale is out of the AL, but also very impressed with the haul he returned.
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Post by Cubbies on Dec 15, 2016 12:42:03 GMT -5
MIL gets Francisco Rodriguez PHI gets Justin Bour Nice of John to give Sean a mulligan in 2019 on that bad Bour contract. Below average 1B are the new market inefficiency.
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Post by Cubbies on Dec 21, 2016 22:21:06 GMT -5
To MIL: Brock Holt! To ATL: Demi Orimoloye, Griffin Canning, Taylor Ward and 2017 pick 3.25
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Dec 22, 2016 3:14:03 GMT -5
MIL gets Francisco Rodriguez PHI gets Justin Bour Nice of John to give Sean a mulligan in 2019 on that bad Bour contract. Below average 1B are the new market inefficiency. So's yer face, idiot!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 7:53:17 GMT -5
You're literally the worst Sean, what in the actual hell is that deal for Brock Holt?
A 1.1 WAR player with a 91 OPS+ and a -3 D Rating on ZIPS.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 8:20:18 GMT -5
You're literally the worst Sean, what in the actual hell is that deal for Brock Holt? A 1.1 WAR player with a 91 OPS+ and a -3 D Rating on ZIPS. I-D-Io-O-T Reminds me of Ernest riles
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Dec 22, 2016 10:58:57 GMT -5
You're literally the worst Sean, what in the actual hell is that deal for Brock Holt? A 1.1 WAR player with a 91 OPS+ and a -3 D Rating on ZIPS. I-D-I-O-T You're an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 11:02:03 GMT -5
Nice to see you've devolved in to such a joke that you don't even have a response now to your awful trades.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Dec 22, 2016 11:02:06 GMT -5
You're literally the worst Sean, what in the actual hell is that deal for Brock Holt? A 1.1 WAR player with a 91 OPS+ and a -3 D Rating on ZIPS. I-D-Io-O-T Reminds me of Ernest riles Pat, don't be an idiot. I never had anything resembling the promise that Riles once had.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Dec 22, 2016 11:06:59 GMT -5
Nice to see you've devolved in to such a joke that you don't even have a response now to your awful trades. You're an idiot. I'm obviously trolling the entire league. What other possible explanation could it be? It's not like I would do this kind of thing for fun! I mean, that would be the most idiotic thing ever, right!?!? Go back to your spelling bee. Just remember, it's not enough to know how to spell the word. You also have to use the idiot word in an idiot sentence correctly like an idiot.
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Post by Bal-Ty-more on Dec 28, 2016 18:52:43 GMT -5
Nationals receive: CF Ben Revere Pirates receive: SP Jaime Schultz Didn't Jim waive Revere already, publicly, on the message board? How can he be allowed to trade him now? I saw that the post he made was edited, probably to take Revere off, but shouldn't that be a binding thing? Instead he is being allowed to trade him for something of value? I think the committee needs to look at this deal. Washington could have just signed Revere, for less money, and for more years if he wanted to, in free agency without giving up anything of value.
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Post by Pirates GM on Dec 28, 2016 20:25:13 GMT -5
I already checked with the Committee prior to starting trade talks, just to ensure that there were no issues with it. I posted my players in advance of the January 9th deadline, but they aren't official until January 9th.
Plus, you're the one that just got done saying GMs have never posted option/LTC inquiries on the message board, so to now turn around and say that it's "binding" is talking out both sides of your keyboard.
Lastly, there is value to acquiring a player prior to free agency. It's an assumption that a GM will get a player on the open market, and frankly, he may not want to roll the dice on 3-4 the years it might take to win the bid. He may prefer a shorter term situation.
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Post by Texas GM on Dec 28, 2016 20:33:29 GMT -5
I don't disagree with the ruling at all, but this is a valid reason for not publicly posting your decisions in a thread when the entire league is sending them privately by email. I can understand the confusion it would cause. Otherwise, no harm, no foul.
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Post by Pirates GM on Dec 28, 2016 20:44:20 GMT -5
I'm cool with that in the future, Mark. I seriously thought we started posting them on the board last year. I guess I was mistaken.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 21:34:14 GMT -5
I know I'm new here but once the decision is posted it should be official. You had the choice to wait till the deadline and post but as soon as you post it should be official. Now I had no interest in Revere but would have never thought to make a trade offer on a guy that was a FA in my mind. Maybe something we should discuss going forward
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Post by Whitesox on Dec 28, 2016 22:27:33 GMT -5
I know I'm new here but once the decision is posted it should be official. You had the choice to wait till the deadline and post but as soon as you post it should be official. Now I had no interest in Revere but would have never thought to make a trade offer on a guy that was a FA in my mind. Maybe something we should discuss going forward I agree with Pat. Once jim posted his decisions, they should be official. Players get NTC'd before the deadline a ton in real life, those players cant be traded after (IT JUST DOES'NT MAKE SENSE). Even if another GM wanted that player. Its crap if this trade stands.
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Post by Pirates GM on Dec 29, 2016 0:30:18 GMT -5
Well, if you actually read the initial sentence of the thread:
These aren't due until January 9th, and I know some people have already sent them in over e-mail. But we usually have a thread posted for it, and I just wanted to do it that way, so that I'm covered and don't forget.
...I think I make it pretty clear that I'm putting them out there for January 9th, just so I'm covered in case I forgot to do them, and didn't miss out on the opportunity to LTC multiple high-end players.
In the grand scheme of wild trades that pass through the NSBL, this seems pretty minor. I intended to non-tender a couple of players by the official January 9th date, a good offer came in prior to the official date, and I was able to work something out with a new GM who contacted me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 3:12:09 GMT -5
Well, if you actually read the initial sentence of the thread: These aren't due until January 9th, and I know some people have already sent them in over e-mail. But we usually have a thread posted for it, and I just wanted to do it that way, so that I'm covered and don't forget....I think I make it pretty clear that I'm putting them out there for January 9th, just so I'm covered in case I forgot to do them, and didn't miss out on the opportunity to LTC multiple high-end players. In the grand scheme of wild trades that pass through the NSBL, this seems pretty minor. I intended to non-tender a couple of players by the official January 9th date, a good offer came in prior to the official date, and I was able to work something out with a new GM who contacted me. JIm I will be happy to go with whatever the Committee decides on this one. Lee Washington GM
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Dec 29, 2016 3:19:35 GMT -5
I'm in favor of deleting the thread. It was a mistake to post them. Not even within the rules. There should be no consequences for this. If you email in decisions early, you could edit those decisions. The only reason anyone is making a big deal out of this is because Jim made it public information. The deadline is the deadline. Nothing is official until that deadline. This has no impact on any of you.
Delete the thread. Let the trade stand. Stop being idiots.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 5:43:14 GMT -5
I'm in favor of deleting the thread. It was a mistake to post them. Not even within the rules. There should be no consequences for this. If you email in decisions early, you could edit those decisions. The only reason anyone is making a big deal out of this is because Jim made it public information. The deadline is the deadline. Nothing is official until that deadline. This has no impact on any of you. Delete the thread. Let the trade stand. Stop being idiots. Let us just delete the trade and I will try to get Revere in Free Agency. No harm no foul! Lee Washington GM
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Post by Texas GM on Dec 29, 2016 8:47:13 GMT -5
Every year, Joe asks us to send him our decisions as early as we can, with the knowledge that it can be subject to change at any point up to the deadline. Anything other than asking Jim and everyone to not confuse the issue by posting a public thread is just absurd. Nothing to see here.......move on.
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Post by rockiesgm on Dec 29, 2016 9:46:19 GMT -5
You guys playing cards?
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Post by Bal-Ty-more on Dec 29, 2016 11:11:14 GMT -5
How is this any different than GMs who come on the message board to say they aren't going to counter a day 2 bid in free agency? We hold those as binding, even though that's not what the rules state to do. This is the same as someone winning day 1, seeing the day 2 bid, coming onto the message board and saying they're not going to counter, then emailing that GM later that night with a counter and saying "well, it wasn't official because I didn't send it in to Ian".
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Post by Whitesox on Dec 29, 2016 12:30:51 GMT -5
If nothings official until January 9th, why is it that some of the teams who sent in their options earlier are already accounted for on the updated roster? What if someone hit up San Diego and made an offer for Jeff Mathis? Or someone asks Baltimore and asks for Rudy Owens? Why does jim get to wait until the 9th to make his official, when clearly there have been NTC's and declined options already made 'official'.
This is a minor thing, but the inconsistent pattern regarding what 'official' is, is concerning. The 9th is listed as the 'due date' on the calendar. That implies nothing about them not being official until the 9th. So I was under the assumption that when you email (or post) your NTC's and options they become official, apparently im wrong.
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Post by Texas GM on Dec 29, 2016 12:37:32 GMT -5
Listen, I may be wrong, but, I thought that Joe had posted somewhere that, although emailed and entered early, they were subject to change up until the deadline. The answer is fairly simple, ask Joe. If this wasn't the case, then why would the committee tell Jim that was allowed? I have no dog in the fight, rather, just going on recollection. It was either posted that way or not, so there shouldn't be any grey area.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 13:01:51 GMT -5
If nothings official until January 9th, why is it that some of the teams who sent in their options earlier are already accounted for on the updated roster? What if someone hit up San Diego and made an offer for Jeff Mathis? Or someone asks Baltimore and asks for Rudy Owens? Why does jim get to wait until the 9th to make his official, when clearly there have been NTC's and declined options already made 'official'. This is a minor thing, but the inconsistent pattern regarding what 'official' is, is concerning. The 9th is listed as the 'due date' on the calendar. That implies nothing about them not being official until the 9th. So I was under the assumption that when you email (or post) your NTC's and options they become official, apparently im wrong. If you want Mathis, just send over an offer, won't take much. ✌
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