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Post by raysgm on Aug 17, 2021 11:55:35 GMT -5
Just throwing out an idea that I'm not sure if I even support, but thought it was interesting.
What if we moved the draft back in the season, closer to the week 23 trade deadline? Like maybe starting the draft week 18 or something? Just might give more incentive for buyers/sellers to make some deadline moves using picks this year?
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Post by Cubbies on Aug 17, 2021 14:03:08 GMT -5
Jim is about to Mitch McConnell the fuck out of this.
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Post by Pirates GM on Aug 17, 2021 16:02:49 GMT -5
I am uncomfortable with the views expressed herein, and ask that this thread be rescinded.
Post haste.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Aug 17, 2021 19:59:23 GMT -5
The only reason this is a bad idea is that I don't see that many teams trying to win. What would moving the draft back accomplish? Timing isn't the issue. It's valuation. Most of our GMs aren't trying to win. Yeah, I said it! It's easier to just collect the best farm system than it is to actually win. If you trade prospects and/or picks to collect wins and a championship, then you'll not have farm system bragging rights.
So, Jim, don't worry. Changing the draft date won't put your winning way in danger. Cody Bellinger's decline probably will. But the draft date will have no impact.
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Post by Whitesox on Aug 17, 2021 20:14:06 GMT -5
The only reason this is a bad idea is that I don't see that many teams trying to win. What would moving the draft back accomplish? Timing isn't the issue. It's valuation. Most of our GMs aren't trying to win. Yeah, I said it! It's easier to just collect the best farm system than it is to actually win. If you trade prospects and/or picks to collect wins and a championship, then you'll not have farm system bragging rights. So, Jim, don't worry. Changing the draft date won't put your winning way in danger. Cody Bellinger's decline probably will. But the draft date will have no impact. Sean is high. A plus of moving the draft back would just be more data via a larger sample size, especially for guys who get mid-season promotions in the minors. I also do not feel very passionate about this either way, but I'm not sure that most GMs aren't looking to compete and only care about their reserve roster...
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Post by Pirates GM on Aug 17, 2021 21:02:54 GMT -5
Good points on both sides.
My biggest thing is from a more practical side: I liked when the MLB Draft was held in early June, because I think a lot of us have more time early in summer to invest into research. This year was difficult, because the draft was hitting high gear right as summer is coming to a close, and a lot of us are trying to get kids ready to go back to school. Hell, over in MLBSA, despite the draft going pretty fast, we still just started Round 8 of 10.
Now on the *positive* front, this July date did spark a lot more league activity at a time most years when the league would be totally dead. So I think that's the good thing that made up for me being a bad Dad in doing research while I should've been helping with the kids.
I can deal with this later July date- because it's in line with MLB- but I personally wouldn't want to push it back any farther.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Aug 18, 2021 9:38:00 GMT -5
The only reason this is a bad idea is that I don't see that many teams trying to win. What would moving the draft back accomplish? Timing isn't the issue. It's valuation. Most of our GMs aren't trying to win. Yeah, I said it! It's easier to just collect the best farm system than it is to actually win. If you trade prospects and/or picks to collect wins and a championship, then you'll not have farm system bragging rights. So, Jim, don't worry. Changing the draft date won't put your winning way in danger. Cody Bellinger's decline probably will. But the draft date will have no impact. Sean is high. A plus of moving the draft back would just be more data via a larger sample size, especially for guys who get mid-season promotions in the minors. I also do not feel very passionate about this either way, but I'm not sure that most GMs aren't looking to compete and only care about their reserve roster... You’re not wrong. I was high when I wrote that. I stand by the statement that I believe less than half the teams in this league make moves to improve during the season. Historically, when selling midseason or near the deadline, GMs are forced to make decisions on subpar offers in order to get anything back. Which has led GMs to not offering expiring contracts or 5th year guys as often on the trade block. And again, I think it’s difficult sometimes to reconcile the real life MLB valuation on rentals and other short term fixes with how our economy works and how we value tradable commodities. I like having more data, but I also think July is kind of a sweet spot for the draft to start. Otherwise we could just hold a huge Winter draft with 7-8 rounds and forego the summer event altogether. But that seems less fun.
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Post by LA Angels GM on Aug 18, 2021 13:55:16 GMT -5
And again, I think it’s difficult sometimes to reconcile the real life MLB valuation on rentals and other short term fixes with how our economy works and how we value tradable commodities. I do not think it's difficult. Make the draft bigger. If I have more draft picks and, therefore, more prospects to trade, I will be more willing to part with some. I wanted to upgrade this season. I really wanted a better catcher. Sadly, all of the offers I got were people offering rental catchers for a couple mid-tier prospects or better. That's like, half my reserve roster gone right there. Give me more prospects, and I will be wheeling and dealing son of a bitch.
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Post by Pirates GM on Aug 18, 2021 14:12:38 GMT -5
Team John.
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Post by Cubbies on Aug 18, 2021 14:53:52 GMT -5
And again, I think it’s difficult sometimes to reconcile the real life MLB valuation on rentals and other short term fixes with how our economy works and how we value tradable commodities. I do not think it's difficult. Make the draft bigger. If I have more draft picks and, therefore, more prospects to trade, I will be more willing to part with some. I wanted to upgrade this season. I really wanted a better catcher. Sadly, all of the offers I got were people offering rental catchers for a couple mid-tier prospects or better. That's like, half my reserve roster gone right there. Give me more prospects, and I will be wheeling and dealing son of a bitch. We're moving to 5 picks next Summer. So it's a step in the right direction. Did we expand the Winter to 2? I don't remember.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Aug 18, 2021 17:24:11 GMT -5
And again, I think it’s difficult sometimes to reconcile the real life MLB valuation on rentals and other short term fixes with how our economy works and how we value tradable commodities. I do not think it's difficult. Make the draft bigger. If I have more draft picks and, therefore, more prospects to trade, I will be more willing to part with some. I wanted to upgrade this season. I really wanted a better catcher. Sadly, all of the offers I got were people offering rental catchers for a couple mid-tier prospects or better. That's like, half my reserve roster gone right there. Give me more prospects, and I will be wheeling and dealing son of a bitch. All you jag offs don't fool me. You can claim resource scarcity all day long, but the issue is that you just don't want to trade your guys. It's more important to have prospects than it is to win. Your words and mine. I don't believe making the draft bigger will change the mentality in this league where holding onto shiny toys is more important than winning. Trading a good player and getting a good return is like pulling (expletive deleted) teeth. And it's contentious af too. Any trade for a star player is highly scrutinized and I think it's because many of the GMs want prices to stay (expletive deleted) low! Or maybe they want prices to be so high that no one will ever think about making a deal for good players. It's all baffling to me. We'll see what happens over these next couple seasons. I think I'm right. I think this is a league of hoarders and has been for a long time. Also, don't complain to me about a catching upgrade when JT Realmuto is on the block and his contract is a dream thru 2022.
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Post by Pirates GM on Aug 19, 2021 2:39:29 GMT -5
. We're moving to 5 picks next Summer. So it's a step in the right direction. Did we expand the Winter to 2? I don't remember. As long as there are no follow-up questions, yes, yes we did. Please change the bylaws accordingly. JIm
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