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Post by Cubbies on Dec 17, 2018 18:48:54 GMT -5
So I brought this up to the committee but I want to bring it up here as well. More minds thinking it over and finding loopholes and shit.
What if on the morning that Tier 1 starts we post one thread for each of the Tier 1 players. We then have open bidding available to all 30 teams and it's on the public forum. We just continually re-up bids until we go 24 hours with no re-bids on a player.
It would be a bloodbath, but could be fun too.
Some obstacles I could see:
- micro increases. We'd need some sort of minimum percentage increase.
- the worry about people editing or deleting bids. I'll have to see if I can turn that function off for those posts.
Anything else? What are your thoughts? We could go two weeks on Tier 1 and then start Tier 2. If we have to end Tier 1 we could say "if you haven't bid on the player in the last 48 hours, you're out. Others hurry it up" that could prevent snipers.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Dec 17, 2018 18:55:38 GMT -5
This sounds like a lot of fun. I'd be willing to give it a shot. I think the only thing we need to do is verify that we can lockout edits, as you stated. I think it should be fairly easy to start eliminating teams from bidding after X days of truly open bidding. It would mimic a player eliminating teams from consideration. Sounds really interesting.
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Post by Nationals on Dec 17, 2018 19:48:48 GMT -5
In another league I'm in, we use this same forum. You wont be able to lock people from editing bids. You can see the security log to see when posts have been edited and deleted, but not what was changed. Wed have to go off the honor system, or make edited bids invalid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:52:32 GMT -5
It is an interesting idea.
Pros: Everyone could be involved.
It would be absolutely a riot to watch.
Cons: Not everyone is truly involved due to salary cap concerns.
I prefer the man-to-man email exchanges of the bidding war. I had a great Tier 1 last year, even if my bids were sort of idiotic.
I can see it being a very drawn-out process.
I will not be participating this year so, if it happens, it will be a blast to watch.
League vote...is that how this is done?
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Post by phillies17 on Dec 18, 2018 8:53:21 GMT -5
As long as the committee subscribes to each thread there should be an email copy of each bid. That will be the public record bid unless there is an immediate "typo error" declared legitimate by the committee or other bidders.
Tier I should be complete prior to the start of tier II. Maybe allow week one to be at its own pace (48 hour post windows), but any bidding moving into week two should be on an accelerated pace. If we can handle 24 hours for drafting, a few teams should be able to handle smaller windows for final bidding.
Sniping should be prevented somehow, maybe an initial qualifying bid and declaring you are out during the process and/or maintaining a bid window.
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Post by Nationals on Dec 18, 2018 9:53:27 GMT -5
We could do a 15 minute window.
So if a bid comes in during the 15 minutes before the 24 hour window ends, the bidding will extend an hour.
Example
Bid ends at 10pm
Last minute bid comes in at 955pm
Bid gets extended to 11pm
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Post by LA Angels GM on Dec 18, 2018 10:38:00 GMT -5
I'm down for whatever. This sounds fun, even if I'm not taking part in Tier 1.
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Post by bigredmachine on Dec 18, 2018 13:27:43 GMT -5
Im all for public T1 bidding and getting rid of the multiyear stipulation that's tied to the contracts. That could begin in 2020 and would more closely mirror the mlb. Josh Donaldson just signed a one year deal with a high aav and it could act as an "opt out" type contract. The team would retain rights and the player would receive a no-trade clause to prevent sign and trades.
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Post by Elephanti! on Dec 18, 2018 14:05:12 GMT -5
YES! I'm all for open bidding.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 16:44:07 GMT -5
As long as the committee subscribes to each thread there should be an email copy of each bid. That will be the public record bid unless there is an immediate "typo error" declared legitimate by the committee or other bidders. Tier I should be complete prior to the start of tier II. Maybe allow week one to be at its own pace (48 hour post windows), but any bidding moving into week two should be on an accelerated pace. If we can handle 24 hours for drafting, a few teams should be able to handle smaller windows for final bidding. Sniping should be prevented somehow, maybe an initial qualifying bid and declaring you are out during the process and/or maintaining a bid window. My only issue with an accelerated bidding process is I cannot get to the message board at work. I work at a secure facility so can really only put my bids in before and after work. These means before 545 and after 400. The new GM for the Padres would be in the same boat. I was fortunate enough to have a few owners help me during last year's FA and draft by emailing what happened from the message board. That is a lot to ask though. any thoughts? thanks |
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Post by Cubbies on Dec 18, 2018 19:00:23 GMT -5
I don't like the idea of having a set end day/time. As long as the bidding is active I see no reason to end it. I don't see most lasting more than a few days. Maybe a week.
I really don't like the idea of having such a short clock. Not everyone keeps the same schedule or can check during work. My correctional facility is about to change policy and strictly forbid cell phones and they monitor all our internet activity on their computers so I'm about to lose my ability to bid during the day as well. Sometimes I work 12 or 16 hour shifts if I have to cover for someone. I've worked over 20 in a row before.
I do like the idea of subscribing to the thread to create an official record. Ian has the bidding email address and only he and I have access to it, so we can add it as a member here and subscribe with that one to prevent tons of emails in our own inbox.
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Post by Arizona on Dec 18, 2018 21:02:44 GMT -5
I think the opening up bidding to more than two teams is a good idea.
I also like public bidding.
I'm not sure how long it will take. On one hand, I could see 2-3 serious teams separating themselves from the pack quickly. On the other hand, I could see two GMs dragging it out for over a week. Probably somewhere in between.
I don't love the idea of having all 10 players at once. I think having Trout & Stanton available at the same time will make the bidding wars drag out much longer since GMs are hesitant to bid while they wait for the other bidding war (to make sure that they aren't high bid on two big contracts at the same position).
I think for Tier 1, we should start 5 players on the same day, then start 5 players a week later.
A few potential issues to think about:
- What happens if a GM makes an actual mistake when submitting their bid?
- What happens if a GM ends up winning two players and blowing their salary cap?
- I'm assuming that we're using values on the bidding spreadsheet, and NOT annual salary?
- What minimum bidding increments should be used?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 21:26:14 GMT -5
A few potential issues to think about: - What happens if a GM makes an actual mistake when submitting their bid? - What happens if a GM ends up winning two players and blowing their salary cap? - I'm assuming that we're using values on the bidding spreadsheet, and NOT annual salary? - What minimum bidding increments should be used? My thoughts are: Whatever is posted goes. Double check your post before you make it We already have a process for dealing with owners who exceed their cap. Yes I would say no less than $250k increments annually to keep it going. |
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Post by Elephanti! on Dec 19, 2018 9:03:04 GMT -5
A few potential issues to think about: - What happens if a GM makes an actual mistake when submitting their bid? - What happens if a GM ends up winning two players and blowing their salary cap? - I'm assuming that we're using values on the bidding spreadsheet, and NOT annual salary? - What minimum bidding increments should be used? My thoughts are: Whatever is posted goes. Double check your post before you make it We already have a process for dealing with owners who exceed their cap. Yes I would say no less than $250k increments annually to keep it going. Agreed. |
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Post by KC Royals Nate on Dec 19, 2018 12:35:54 GMT -5
I like the sound of this, though hope nobody with connection issues gets locked out from a guy they want to bid on.
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Post by redsoxtim on Dec 20, 2018 4:21:35 GMT -5
I love this idea. One of my head to head leagues has a live auction every year and it's a blast, so doing something like this in thread form would be fantastic.
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