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Post by Cubbies on Dec 29, 2012 9:51:14 GMT -5
Round Pick Team Player
1 1 (1) Baltimore Orioles Anthony Reyes
1 2 (2) Detroit Tigers Yhency Brazoban
1 2 (3) Anaheim Angels Kyle Davies
1 4 (4) Chicago Cubs Huston Street
1 5 (5) Toronto Blue Jays Brandon McCarthy
1 6 (6) Cleveland Indians Adam Miller
1 7 (7) Toronto Blue Jays Brian McCann
1 8 (8) Toronto Blue Jays Hayden Penn
1 9 (9) Seattle Mariners Noah Lowry
1 10 (10) New York Mets Justin Upton
1 11 (11) Atlanta Braves Chuck James
1 12 (12) Toronto Blue Jays Billy Butler
1 13 (13) Toronto Blue Jays Dustin Pedroia
1 14 (14) Anaheim Angels Philip Hughes
1 15 (15) Minnesota Twins Jorge Cantu
1 16 (16) Anaheim Angels Howie Kendrick
1 17 (17) Oakland Athletics Gustavo Chacin
1 18 (18) Chicago Cubs Rich Hill
1 19 (19) Texas Rangers Brent Clevlen
1 20 (20) Houston Astros Ezequiel Astacio
1 21 (21) St. Louis Cardinals Daric Barton
1 22 (22) New York Yankees Chris Nelson
1 23 (23) Atlanta Braves Josh Willingham
1 24 (24) Atlanta Braves Lance Broadway
1 25 (25) Tampa Bay Devil Rays Gio Gonzalez
1 26 (26) Tampa Bay Devil Rays Francisco Liriano
1 27 (27) Kansas City Royals Chad Orvella
1 28 (28) Seattle Mariners Daniel Cabrera
1 29 (29) Anaheim Angels Sean Gallagher
1 30 (30) St. Louis Cardinals Jonathan Broxton
Sup-1 1 (31) Milwaukee Brewers Alex Gordon
Sup-1 2 (32) Kansas City Royals Thomas Diamond
Sup-1 3 (33) Seattle Mariners Willy Taveras
Sup-1 4 (34) Texas Rangers Jeff Clement
Sup-1 5 (35) Houston Astros Fernando Nieve
Sup-1 6 (36) Anaheim Angels Carlos Nolasco
Sup-1 7 (37) New York Yankees Curtis Granderson
Sup-1 8 (38) Atlanta Braves Hunter Pence
Sup-1 9 (39) Florida Marlins Jairo Garcia
Sup-1 10 (40) Florida Marlins Joel Zumaya
2 1 (41) Oakland Athletics Chris Ray
2 2 (42) Pittsburgh Pirates Jose Castillo
2 3 (43) Atlanta Braves Troy Patton
2 4 (44) Los Angeles Dodgers Craig Hansen
2 5 (45) Detroit Tigers Ricky Romero
2 6(46) Atlanta Braves Justin Orenduff
2 7 (47) Baltimore Orioles Ryan Zimmerman
2 8 (48) Toronto Blue Jays Jon Lester
2 9 (49) Pittsburgh Pirates Cameron Maybin
2 10 (50) New York Mets Anibal Sanchez
2 11 (51) Kansas City Royals Brian Bannister
2 12 (52) Tampa Bay Devil Rays Russell Martin
2 13 (53) Cincinnati Reds Joey Devine
2 14 (54) New York Yankees Gaby Hernandez
2 15 (55) Baltimore Orioles Sergio Mitre
2 16 (56) Tampa Bay Devil Rays Chien-Ming Wang
2 17 (57) San Diego Padres J.P. Howell
2 18 (58) San Diego Padres Miguel Montero
2 19 (59) Texas Rangers Mike Pelfrey
2 20 (60) Houston Astros Dallas Braden
2 21 (61) Anaheim Angels Ruben Gotay
2 22 (62) New York Yankees Javier Herrera
2 23 (63) Seattle Mariners Kelly Johnson
2 24 (64) Colorado Rockies Jacob Ellsbury
2 25 (65) San Diego Padres Eddy Martinez-Esteve
2 26 (66) Seattle Mariners Luke Hochevar
2 27 (67) Los Angeles Dodgers Kurt Suzuki
2 28 (68) San Diego Padres J. Brent Cox
2 29 (69) Oakland Athletics Jake Woods
2 30 (70) St. Louis Cardinals Jon Papelbon
3 1 (71) Anaheim Angels Luis A. Gonzalez
3 2 (71) Seattle Mariners Omar Quintanilla
3 3 (73) Milwaukee Brewers Travis Bowyer
3 4 (74) Seattle Mariners Renyel Pinto
3 5 (75) Milwaukee Brewers Dana Eveland
3 6 (76) Toronto Blue Jays Ryan Garko
3 7 (77) Milwaukee Brewers Zack Jackson
3 8 (78) Seattle Mariners Robinson Tejeda
3 9 (79) Milwaukee Brewers George Kottaras
3 10 (80) New York Mets Anthony Swarzak
3 11 (81) Milwaukee Brewers Charles Thomas
3 12 (82) Cincinnati Reds Ryan Braun
3 13 (83) Cleveland Indians Bobby Livingston
3 14 (84) Milwaukee Brewers Jake Stevens
3 15 (85) Baltimore Orioles Sean Marshall
3 16 (86) Pittsburgh Pirates Glen Perkins
3 17 (87) Kansas City Royals Hong-Chih Kuo
3 18 (88) Detroit Tigers Ronny Cedeno
3 19 (89) Texas Rangers Troy Tulowitzki
3 20 (90) Houston Astros SKIPPED
3 21 (91) Milwaukee Brewers Tony Sipp
3 22 (92) Milwaukee Brewers Elijah Dukes
3 23 (93) Cleveland Indians Ty Taubenheim
3 24 (94) Seattle Mariners Marcus Sanders
3 25 (95) Milwaukee Brewers Jason Vargas
3 26 (96) Milwaukee Brewers Anthony Lerew
3 27 (97) Boston Red Sox Wandy Rodriguez
3 28 (98) Milwaukee Brewers Alejandro Machado
3 29 (99) Houston Astros SKIPPED
3 30 (100) Milwaukee Brewers Jake Gautreau
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 23:21:31 GMT -5
Did the Brewers really have 12 3rd round picks in this draft? And if so, how?
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Post by Cubbies on Dec 29, 2012 23:31:47 GMT -5
Yeah, Sean did. He made a bunch of trades and back then people were trading picks like crazy. Also, back then if you got into a bidding war with another team during free agency, they could bribe you to drop out. That lasted about 2 seasons I think before we pit the kibosh on that. But I think this was the main reason we instituted a Pick Limit (which by the way has been raised to 12 during the Summer... I forgot to mention that on the Rules Changes thread on the last message board).
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Post by raysgm on Dec 29, 2012 23:40:46 GMT -5
Sean really did a good job with those 12 picks.... 3. Travis Bowyer 5. Dana Eveland 7. Zack Jackson 9. George Kottaras 11. Charles Thomas 14. Jake Stevens 21. Tony Sipp 22. Elijah Dukes 25. Jason Vargas 26. Anthony Lerow 28. Alejandro Machado 30. Jake Gautreau So the best player they got was Jason Vargas? George Kottaras? Elijah Dukes could have been really good I suppose. And now a selection of other picks from the round... 8. Robinson Tejeda (SEA) 12. Ryan Braun (CIN) 15. Sean Marshall (BAL) 16. Glen Perkins (PIT) 17. Hong-Chih Kuo (KC) 18. Ronny Cedeno (DET) 19. Troy Tulowitzki (TEX) 27. Wandy Rodriguez (BOS) The talent was out there Sean, too bad you missed out on nearly all of it ;  (Although I guess hitting on Alex Gordon early on helped out too) |
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Post by Cubbies on Dec 29, 2012 23:55:52 GMT -5
Hey! It took skill for him to have more picks that fWAR in that round! It's not easy to have 40% of the picks in a round where more than 25% of the players selected had a serviceable or better career (Kuo and Perkins are questionable...) and miss almost all of them.
And in his defense, I know Machado was a staple of his roster for years as a utility player. That's not bad for a third round pick. And Thomas was a good pick at the time. The kid had just come up and earned 2.1 fWAR in half a season with the Braves before getting traded to Oakland. And for some reason Oakland never gave him a real shot. He had 55 plate appearances and a .132 BABIP, and never saw the majors again.
And FYI, I think Sean traded Alex Gordon before Gordon ever got a single AB for Sean.
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Post by raysgm on Dec 30, 2012 0:10:19 GMT -5
Haha, did you really just go and sum up all 12 of his players WAR totals?
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Post by Cubbies on Dec 30, 2012 0:23:30 GMT -5
Haha, did you really just go and sum up all 12 of his players WAR totals? No, I am pretty sure they add up to more than 12 WAR, I just don't think it's by much. |
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Post by raysgm on Dec 30, 2012 0:50:26 GMT -5
3. Travis Bowyer - (-0.1)
5. Dana Eveland - 3.8
7. Zack Jackson - 0
9. George Kottaras - 2.6
11. Charles Thomas - 1.6
14. Jake Stevens - 0
21. Tony Sipp - (-1.0)
22. Elijah Dukes - 2.6
25. Jason Vargas - 5.9
26. Anthony Lerow - 0
28. Alejandro Machado - 0.1
30. Jake Gautreau - 0
Total = 15.5
12. Ryan Braun - 32.9
15. Sean Marshall - 10.0
17. Hong-Chih Kuo - 6.1
19. Troy Tulowitzki - 25.6
27. Wandy Rodriguez - 18.5
From the time of Milwaukees first 3rd round pick (3.3 - Travis Bowyer) until the end of the draft, there were 26 players picked (Houston had 2 skipped picks). Milwaukee had 12 of these picks, yet there highest WAR player this far (Jason Vargas - 5.9) was only the 6th highest in the round...
Also, there were some notable others:
8. Robinson Tejeda - 3.9
16. Glen Perkins - 5.1
18. Ronny Cedeno - 1.9
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Post by raysgm on Dec 30, 2012 0:59:44 GMT -5
Also, no hard feelings to Sean, I've still only had 5 players in 4 years of drafting be receive a sim-able projection (Alex Avila, Jason Kipnis, Tom Milone, Mike Fiers, Dom Brown), and Milone/Fiers both had usable lines the year I drafted them, so we may all be making fun of me in 2016 or something  |
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Jan 3, 2013 17:07:59 GMT -5
I'm bad at drafting. It's one of the reasons I tend to trade my 1st round picks often. Don't get me wrong, my very first draft pick ever was Cole Hamels, so I'm not a total idiot. The real lesson is that picks do you no f'n good unless you know how to draft. I'm still bad at it because I like a particular player type that just happens to be bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 13:42:46 GMT -5
I had no picks in that draft.
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(Although I guess hitting on Alex Gordon early on helped out too)
