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Post by nymetsgm on Mar 26, 2024 21:21:09 GMT -5
As always, lots of bargains on Day 1 of Tier 2. For those in a bid war, please remember that both parties need to post in this thread for it to be considered closed. Remember that this is a hobby for all of us so try and respond in a teimely fashion but also try and remember that if someone isn't responding as quickly as you would like they are dealing with work, family, etc also.
New Bids
Name Pos Age Yrs Salary Opt Team
Armstrong, Shawn P 34 2 6.000 PHI
Blanco, Dairon OF 31 2 1.980 Yes TEX
Bradford, Cody P 26 2 1.950 Yes NYM
Caballero, Jose IF 28 3 2.500 Yes NYM
Canzone, Dominic OF 26 2 2.000 Yes SEA
Dalbec, Bobby IF 29 2 3.022 Yes MIL
Duvall, Adam OF 36 2 5.000 Yes STL
Finnegan, Kyle P 33 3 3.500 NYY
Funderburk, Kody P 28 3 2.200 Yes NYM
Go, Woo-suk P 26 2 2.005 Yes DET
Green, Chad P 33 2 4.000 Yes ATL
Hendricks, Kyle P 34 2 10.005 Yes DET
Jensen, Kenley P 37 2 2.800 CIN
Kiner-Falefa, Isiah IF 29 3 2.201 NYY
Martin, Chris P 38 2 2.100 SEA
McArthus, James P 28 2 1.955 Yes TOR
Middleton, Kenyan P 31 3 3.000 HOU
Miley, Wade P 37 2 6.000 SDP
Nardi, Andrew P 26 2 4.180 MIA
Neris, Hector P 35 2 3.800 SFG
Paxton, James P 36 2 3.750 KCR
Quintana, Jose P 35 2 3.900 KCR
Rogers, Tyler P 34 2 2.201 NYY
Sanchez, Gary C 32 2 3.000 Yes OAK
Schoop, Jonathan IF 33 2 2.900 SFG
Suarez, Robert P 33 2 1.950 Yes SEA
Taylor, Michael A OF 33 2 2.500 Yes TAM
Vazquez, Christian C 34 2 3.000 Yes MIA
Waldron, Matt P 28 2 2.120 Yes TEX
Wells, Tyler P 29 3 2.200 Yes SDP
New Bidding Wars
Name Pos Age Yrs Salary Opt Team Day 1 Winning Contract
Ahmed, Nick IF 34 2 5.022 MIL TAM Day 2 bid
d'Arnaud, Travis C 35 2 6.500 OAK SDP OAK - 2/$7.5/No
Dubon, Mauricio IF 30 2 3.000 Yes MIN TOR MIN - 2/$4.5/Y
Gipson-Long, Sawyer P 27 5 6.022 MIL CIN CIN - 5/$6.5/N
Lee, Dylan P 30 2 8.000 Yes CHC MIN Day 2 Bid
Manaea, Sean P 32 2 7.500 LAA DET DET - 2/$15.005/Y
Megill, Trevor P 31 2 4.000 Yes TAM SEA TAM - 2/$5/Y
Milner, Hoby P 33 2 7.005 Yes DET COL* Day 2 Bid
Pederson, Joc OF 32 2 3.000 Yes CLE BAL BAL - 2/$5.75/Y
Pressly, Ryan P 36 2 13.335 Yes CHC MIN Day 2 Bid
Robles, VIctor OF 27 3 3.069 Yes CHW TAM CHW - 3/$3.69/Y
Rooker, Brent OF 30 2 4.000 Yes LAD TOR LAD - 2/$6/Y
Scott, Tanner P 30 3 10.950 CHC CLE CHC - 3/$12.5/N
Stewart, Brock P 33 3 6.125 Yes BAL TEX Day 2 Bid
Strahm, Matt P 33 2 5.005 Yes CHW KCR KCR - 2/$8/Y
Urias, Ramon IF 30 2 5.000 Yes STL SDP SDP - 2/$9MM/Y
Verlander, Justin P 41 2 20.000 PHI CIN PHI - 2/$25/N
Signed Players
Name Pos Age Yrs Salary Opt Team
Anderson, Tim IF 31 2 3.750 N KCR
Andujar, Miguel OF 29 2 2.201 Y TOR
Espinal, Santiago IF 30 2 7.500 N MIN
Ferguson, Caleb P 28 3 3.000 Y NYM
Fermin, Freddy C 29 3 5.021 Y MIL
Frazier, Adam IF 33 2 6.500 N ATL
Gallegos, Giovanny P 33 2 2.000 Y NYM
Garver, Mitch C 33 2 10.000 Y LAD
Hendricks, Liam P 35 2 8.000 Y LAD
Hoskins, Rhys IF 31 2 12.000 Y CLE
Kepler, Max* OF 31 3 13.420 Y CHW
Kikuchi, Yusei P 33 2 10.000 Y STL
King, Michael P 29 6 12.000 Y BOS
LeMahieu, DJ IF 36 2 7.005 N DET
Lugo, Seth P 35 2 10.000 Y STL
Lynn, Lance P 37 2 11.000 N ATL
Marte, Starling OF 35 2 6.000 N BOS
Minter, AJ P 31 3 5.600 Y SFG
Morton, Charlie P 41 2 12.500 N LAA
Myers, Dane OF 28 2 2.280 Y TEX
O'Neill, Tyler OF 28 4 10.000 N HOU
Rizzo, Anthony IF 35 2 16.000 N PHI
Sabol, Blake C 26 2 1.920 N TEX
Story, Trevor IF 32 2 18.000 N ATL
Trevino, Jose C 32 2 3.100 Y TAM
Ward, Taylor OF 31 2 16.000 Y LAD
Wisdom, Patrick IF 33 2 7.500 N CLE
Yastrzemski, Mike OF 34 2 5.100 N SFG
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Post by nymetsgm on Mar 26, 2024 21:22:16 GMT -5
I had 2 identical bids on Verlander, so the 1st bid in won.
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Post by raysgm on Mar 26, 2024 22:26:42 GMT -5
Bidding war updates:
CHW wins Victor Robles: 3 years / $3.690 MM / yes option
ATL concedes both Ryan Pressly and Dylan Lee to CHC at their Day 2 bids
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Post by Texas GM on Mar 27, 2024 5:35:03 GMT -5
Baltimore can have Brock Stewart at day two bid.
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Post by LA Angels GM on Mar 27, 2024 7:56:24 GMT -5
Detroit wins Sean Manaea bidding war with a bid of:
2 years
15.005 million
Yes to an option
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Mar 27, 2024 7:57:01 GMT -5
Detroit wins Sean Manaea bidding war with a bid of: 2 years 15.005 million Yes to an option confirmed |
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Post by Elephanti! on Mar 27, 2024 9:11:01 GMT -5
OAK signs Travis d'Arnaud for 2 years, 7.5MM, no option
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Post by nymetsgm on Mar 27, 2024 11:27:58 GMT -5
Bidding war updates: CHW wins Victor Robles: 3 years / $3.690 MM / yes option ATL concedes both Ryan Pressly and Dylan Lee to CHC at their Day 2 bids Need Matt to confirm this |
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Mar 27, 2024 11:59:23 GMT -5
Cincy wins Gipson-Long for 5y/$6.5MM/N
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Post by raysgm on Mar 27, 2024 12:09:52 GMT -5
CHC wins Tanner Scott:
3 years / $12.5 MM / no option
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Post by Cubbies on Mar 27, 2024 12:24:28 GMT -5
CHC wins Tanner Scott: 3 years / $12.5 MM / no option Agreed. |
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Post by bluejaysgm on Mar 27, 2024 13:40:40 GMT -5
Rooker 2 / 6/ y
Dubon 2 / 4.5 /y
Both to the respective vacant teams. Uggh
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Post by raysgm on Mar 27, 2024 13:47:39 GMT -5
Rooker 2 / 6/ y Dubon 2 / 4.5 /y Both to the respective vacant teams. Uggh GM Bot confirms and apologizes for doubling up on the same team with Day 1 bids. As I just told Tracy via email, I've been trying to do at least 50% new bids vs over the top, and not doing multiple bids against the same Day 1 team in one day for the unowned teams but it's hard to keep track and Rooker/Dubon must have slipped through the cracks. This did make me thing of a possible new rule. We have all been frustrated by teams coming over the top on Day 1 bids, do we think it may be an acceptable idea to penalize whoever has a Day 2 bid with a 5% tax or something on the contract? Gives a slight bidding war advantage to whoever has the Day 1 bid? So if a team comes with a Day 2 bid of $10 MM, they end up paying $10.5 MM or something? Just a thought, would love to hear what the league thinks |
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Post by nestorm15 on Mar 27, 2024 17:28:07 GMT -5
I was just talking to Karpinski about this a little. While none of us like to have our bids pouched, the problem I see. I create a list of players that I like, 11 this year at the start of tier 2. I am only allowed to bid on 3 at a time. I count on winning my initial bid and plan on a second day bid hopefully on 3 new players to get some of those 11 on my list. I fully expect those other 8 on my list to get a first day bid. I am not pouching since they are already on my lists. Obviously no one knows that but me, but generally they are. I really wouldn't want to get a tax for someone I couldn't bid on since I can only bid on 3 players. I would say to avoid pouching we could, and I am thinking out loud and haven't completely thought this through, but maybe be able to submit as many bids as you want on the first day. The only ones who can bid on the player the second day, would be to only allow the guys who lost the first bid, be able to place a second day bid. Now obviously this means more work for the moderator, but this would, I believe, stop most of the pouching. A tax can then be payed if you want to get into the bidding on a player you forgot about (a penalty for forgetting) or you can pay to poach.
The other side to this. I remember being really new not to long ago. I honestly did a lot of pouching my first 2 years till I actually learned the value of players and learned who was available and how to build a team. I had to learn the value of a player in this format than typically fantasy baseball. There is a learning curve. Hence, Madison Bumgardner for 31 mil a year for 4 years my first year in the league. The worst deal I have made thus far. I would have lost interest honestly if I didn't have the ability to bid on day 2 those first few years.
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Post by bigredmachine on Mar 27, 2024 19:14:11 GMT -5
Cincy wins Gipson-Long for 5y/$6.5MM/N Confirmed |
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Post by phillies17 on Mar 27, 2024 19:58:12 GMT -5
Phillies win Verlander
2 Years, $25.0M, No
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Post by bigredmachine on Mar 27, 2024 20:23:26 GMT -5
Phillies win Verlander 2 Years, $25.0M, No Confirm |
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Post by Whitesox on Mar 27, 2024 20:27:15 GMT -5
Bidding war updates: CHW wins Victor Robles: 3 years / $3.690 MM / yes option ATL concedes both Ryan Pressly and Dylan Lee to CHC at their Day 2 bids Need Matt to confirm this Matt confirms. KC gets Matt Strahm at 2 years / $8.000 / yes |
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Post by LA Angels GM on Mar 27, 2024 20:57:01 GMT -5
Rooker 2 / 6/ y Dubon 2 / 4.5 /y Both to the respective vacant teams. Uggh GM Bot confirms and apologizes for doubling up on the same team with Day 1 bids. As I just told Tracy via email, I've been trying to do at least 50% new bids vs over the top, and not doing multiple bids against the same Day 1 team in one day for the unowned teams but it's hard to keep track and Rooker/Dubon must have slipped through the cracks. This did make me thing of a possible new rule. We have all been frustrated by teams coming over the top on Day 1 bids, do we think it may be an acceptable idea to penalize whoever has a Day 2 bid with a 5% tax or something on the contract? Gives a slight bidding war advantage to whoever has the Day 1 bid? So if a team comes with a Day 2 bid of $10 MM, they end up paying $10.5 MM or something? Just a thought, would love to hear what the league thinks I can't say that I'm a fan of this, either. I've been on the receiving end of being poached, and it's a sucky feeling. But it's part of it. In real life, if a team is the first to contact a free agent, are they rewarded? Does the famous "mystery team" get punished for waiting until the end to get involved? It sucks when it happens, but I think it's just something that we need to accept. |
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Post by Pirates GM on Mar 27, 2024 21:14:19 GMT -5
I think the preference of the bot teams should be landing opening bids on new FA, rather than upbidding teams who already have qualifying bids.
Last year, Connor must've upbid me on 3-4 different FA with Day 2 bids. I know it was nothing personal from his end, but it also got frustrating. I think there's a bit of a conflict of interest when bot teams are choosing to up-bid players when a significant amount of still serviceable FA are available.
It's one thing if we're in Tier 3-4, an unowned team has multiple openings that need filled, and there's only a finite amount of serviceable players left. But to upbid guys on multiple players this early in Tier 2? I can absolutely see the frustration there.
JIm
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Post by Texas GM on Mar 27, 2024 21:16:11 GMT -5
For the record, although it was discussed with me, I don’t agree with the suggestion of a rule change. Although I deplore GMs that are lazy and rely on other GMs to do their research, there are too many antics done in real life FA too. That said, I’ve been a member of DMBO for 2-1/2 years now and I consider that to be the best run sim league, or any type of fantasy or gaming league, that I have ever experienced. They operate on only one bid per day and that has forced GMs to think very hard about how to utilize their one daily bid. If their strategy is to “poach”, you better damn well be sure you’re the winner of the day two bid or you’ve totally lost an entire day of player acquisition. Bidding wars are a mere fraction of what they are here, where you can easily “waste” one of your bids on a potential poach. Over there, tier 2 has essentially lasted for three weeks, but it’s been clean and orderly. I think it’s been because of the one bid per day rule.
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Post by raysgm on Mar 27, 2024 22:16:32 GMT -5
Oh crap. Big apologies to Sean for forgetting to post this, but Milwaukee can have Ahmed at the Day 2 price
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Post by KC Royals Nate on Mar 28, 2024 9:24:44 GMT -5
Need Matt to confirm this Matt confirms. KC gets Matt Strahm at 2 years / $8.000 / yes Didn’t see this - KC confirms |
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Post by Nationals on Mar 28, 2024 11:22:25 GMT -5
So everyone is upset that bot teams are making a play for free agents, but if a human team did the same upbid, it’d be ok?
Does that even make sense? They have an obligation to make those teams better to attract GMs
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Post by Elephanti! on Mar 28, 2024 11:29:40 GMT -5
Honestly my take is that we should be looking at opening up free agency bidding rather than stifling it. Yes, we all love to get players for bargains, but I don't think that's particularly healthy. If we feasibly could do it, I would have all free agency look like tier 1.
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Post by LA Angels GM on Mar 28, 2024 13:24:07 GMT -5
Honestly my take is that we should be looking at opening up free agency bidding rather than stifling it. Yes, we all love to get players for bargains, but I don't think that's particularly healthy. If we feasibly could do it, I would have all free agency look like tier 1. This would be fun! But the message boards would get crazy. You'd have to create new forums for each position, and try to separate it that way. |
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Mar 28, 2024 13:34:04 GMT -5
Honestly my take is that we should be looking at opening up free agency bidding rather than stifling it. Yes, we all love to get players for bargains, but I don't think that's particularly healthy. If we feasibly could do it, I would have all free agency look like tier 1. This would be fun! But the message boards would get crazy. You'd have to create new forums for each position, and try to separate it that way. Probably just have Connor make a ranked list of available free agents before having GMs submit names to be added to the list. Then we would do all of Tier 1 in one week. Then start Tier 2 with like 20 names week. Tier 3 would probably revert back to our current system as I don't see the value of open bidding for 1 year deals and MLIs. I think fewer bids results in not enough players getting offers. I definitely see the value of our T1 system and don't know if it would be too chaotic. I think having a master list and known bidding windows for the top 150 players on that list would allow for some planning. I'd certainly entertain this discussion in it's own thread. |
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Post by Nationals on Mar 28, 2024 13:49:04 GMT -5
I’m in another league and we strictly do open bidding on the forum. They typically set a schedule of free agents, basically top 3-4 at each position, and we bid on them for a week, closing every Sunday night. So 4 catchers, 4 1B, so on and so on, get posted in a group. If we were to determine them by WAR or some other formula, we could set that schedule. And then just run through the list.
It is fun, but not when you miss a Sunday night.
If we could mix that along with our 24 hour no bid award system, it might be a home run.
The only hard part is the list.
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Post by Elephanti! on Mar 28, 2024 14:08:20 GMT -5
BNSL did open forum posts for a while, like our T1, for all free agency -- it evolved over time to that point (history below). There was a definitive list of free agents to bid on (and about a week for people to look it over and request additions that qualify). We now do our free agency via an interface; still completely open bidding. The forum route worked well, but it adds more work for committee members to monitor everything. It also may be pretty hard to manage the unowned teams under an open bidding system.
I don't really know what the answer is for us. If there's a feasible way to open it up more without overloading the committee, I would be very much for it.
Forum Bidding History:
-When I first joined it was like our bidding style with emails; then the bidding wars would be public on the forums but limited to the top bids from D1/D2.
-Next step, teams who had the player under contract the previous year were automatically added to all bidding wars on the forums, so up to three teams are in on the bidding wars at this point.
-Next, the top 2 or 3 (forget which) D2 bids were added to the bidding wars.
-Then the final step was ditching email bids and completely open forum bidding like our T1.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Mar 28, 2024 14:35:51 GMT -5
I've looked into creating a bidding portal, but I don't have the skills necessary to make it work. I think a bidding portal that updates each unique player's top bid when a new bid is submitted is the best thing to do. If someone in the league has the skills to create something like that, I don't think a single person would complain about that innovation. It would certainly be easier for individual teams. Might make more work for unowned teams. Though I have no issues just shepherding Detroit until someone takes them over or they win a WS with brute force.
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