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Post by LA Angels GM on Dec 11, 2022 22:05:57 GMT -5
So, uh... What's going on?
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Dec 12, 2022 18:02:40 GMT -5
I dunno. Trav is gonna get started on rosters. I'll check with the guys and see what's what.
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Post by Cubbies on Dec 13, 2022 21:37:56 GMT -5
Narrator: Sean never checked in with the guys to see what's what. I dunno. Trav is gonna get started on rosters. I'll check with the guys and see what's what.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Dec 14, 2022 6:05:09 GMT -5
Narrator: Sean never checked in with the guys to see what's what. I dunno. Trav is gonna get started on rosters. I'll check with the guys and see what's what. How would you know? You're not one of the guys anymore. FTR, I did get distracted by work. I'll do the thing now.
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Post by LA Angels GM on Dec 14, 2022 10:34:48 GMT -5
Stupid work. Always ruining fun.
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Post by nymetsgm on Dec 14, 2022 12:58:22 GMT -5
Stupid work. Always ruining fun. Ain’t that the truth
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Post by Texas GM on Dec 14, 2022 15:39:40 GMT -5
I'm just throwing this out their for discussion. I know I'm not the longest tenured GM here or a league officer, but I contribute where I can and I care about the health of this league. Given the inability of the league to fill vacant teams and/or hold on to its current GM's, are we confident that changing to another SIM format at this moment is the right choice. Everyone here knows the current system and the amount of time and effort it takes to be a participant. Is changing formats going to be what gets more GM's to join, or is it going to be something that complicates the current GM's participation going forward, causing further exodus? IMO, this is a crucial time for the league to make smart decisions and recruitment going forward.
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Post by Cubbies on Dec 14, 2022 20:50:15 GMT -5
I'm just throwing this out their for discussion. I know I'm not the longest tenured GM here or a league officer, but I contribute where I can and I care about the health of this league. Given the inability of the league to fill vacant teams and/or hold on to its current GM's, are we confident that changing to another SIM format at this moment is the right choice. Everyone here knows the current system and the amount of time and effort it takes to be a participant. Is changing formats going to be what gets more GM's to join, or is it going to be something that complicates the current GM's participation going forward, causing further exodus? IMO, this is a crucial time for the league to make smart decisions and recruitment going forward. The theory is that this move will actually help us fill these spots. It appears that many DMB Projection leagues are making the switch to OOTP. In fact, of all the other DMB leagues I was aware of because we had owners who were also in them, all of them have made the switch. So there is definitely a chance that this is us "having a baby hoping to save the relationship" because it's obvious this league is trending in the wrong direction. But it's worth the shot, right? In fact any owners here who are in other leagues who are already doing OOTP, please reach out to me to help me make the switch. I got my hands on a version of a 2022 replay version of OOTP so I can start to learn the program, but I am still a little overwhelmed. But I've also not been able to spend the time on it that it deserves because of the work we're doing on our kitchen. But the finish line is in sight on that and I have from the 23rd to the 2nd off from work.
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Post by raysgm on Dec 14, 2022 22:52:54 GMT -5
I'm just throwing this out their for discussion. I know I'm not the longest tenured GM here or a league officer, but I contribute where I can and I care about the health of this league. Given the inability of the league to fill vacant teams and/or hold on to its current GM's, are we confident that changing to another SIM format at this moment is the right choice. Everyone here knows the current system and the amount of time and effort it takes to be a participant. Is changing formats going to be what gets more GM's to join, or is it going to be something that complicates the current GM's participation going forward, causing further exodus? IMO, this is a crucial time for the league to make smart decisions and recruitment going forward. The theory is that this move will actually help us fill these spots. It appears that many DMB Projection leagues are making the switch to OOTP. In fact, of all the other DMB leagues I was aware of because we had owners who were also in them, all of them have made the switch. So there is definitely a chance that this is us "having a baby hoping to save the relationship" because it's obvious this league is trending in the wrong direction. But it's worth the shot, right? In fact any owners here who are in other leagues who are already doing OOTP, please reach out to me to help me make the switch. I got my hands on a version of a 2022 replay version of OOTP so I can start to learn the program, but I am still a little overwhelmed. But I've also not been able to spend the time on it that it deserves because of the work we're doing on our kitchen. But the finish line is in sight on that and I have from the 23rd to the 2nd off from work. I see both sides to this argument and don't know where I stand. It seems that Joe is pro OOTP, Mark is pro DMB (Sean voiced pro DMB sentiments in a committee email...if I interpreted it correctly, not positive I did). I think Matt Hop is pro OOTP. Right now I think I'm pro move....but it sure would be nice to either get the rundown from folks in DMB-->OOTP leagues about how they handled the transition, or bring in some of the drivers of that move from other leagues to help us along. My interpretation is that in general, we are closer to the "casual" and "less tech savvy" portions on the online baseball sim league spectrums. Very curious to hear other folks thoughts!
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Post by sanfran on Dec 14, 2022 23:25:42 GMT -5
Hope to have rosters updated this weekend. Haven't done the annual roll over on this format, but should be simple. There's always something missed.
FWIW -- I am a long-time OOTP player, but mostly solo play. I can help with settings and such and have another online league I do participate in if we need to reach out on resources. However - my recommendation is that we kinda straddle the fence this off-season. Prepare to migrate, try to get it online, but not knowing how the backend setup works and if Joe can handle it all (no shade). DMB is still viable if they put out a disk. That is also a risk. We should try to move, but have DMB as a fall-back. Our first live sim will probably be around May 1 either way given the way DMB gets a disk out or doing OOTP league test sims to get everyone familiar with process.
I do firmly believe that OOTP is the best long-term solution. It is a lively engaged community, times change. The sim disk (2023 version) will be out in spring and is initially built off Zips like DMB.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Dec 15, 2022 12:47:21 GMT -5
In response to Connor, I am pro DMB, but I am not opposed to migrating if that is in the best interest of the league. DMB did a lot of damage last year with how long they took to produce a projection disk. No matter my preference of sim program, that long of a wait is not acceptable for the health of a league like ours.
My hope is that the higher quality program will attract new members to this league. I will be buying OOTP 2023 either way because I do believe it will be the future of NSBL simply by DMB giving zero fucks about it's player base.
Also for the record, as a solo project, OOTP destroys DMB for historical replay value. I can't believe that is still DMB's focus when the direct competition has destroyed them. They would be better served catering to sim league honks like me that prefer projections.
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Post by seattlegm on Dec 17, 2022 10:18:07 GMT -5
For what is worth I'm more pro OOTP. I'm not sure how it works, but I do know that DMB offensive numbers have been consistently declining for a while now. And when you're team hits sub .230 as a team really is not an enjoyable experience.
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Post by Cubbies on Dec 17, 2022 20:53:26 GMT -5
I really like the DMB program. It's easy to use and navigate. The files are easy to understand when it comes to website management. And it's not overloaded with bells and whistles.
But the product has seemed to be trending down for many years now, as has been their treatment of projection leagues. That's my reason for being pro-switch.
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Post by redsoxtim on Dec 18, 2022 7:34:57 GMT -5
I haven't done an OOTP league in a number of years but I'm not opposed to moving to it as a projection league. Like a couple others I've mostly dabbled in solo mode in OOTP.
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Post by bluejaysgm on Dec 20, 2022 13:30:01 GMT -5
I've never touched OOTP. Will we all need to purchase it? How difficult is the learning curve for one who has never used it?
Between buying DMB for the other league and OOTP for this, I'm not sure i want to purchase two different softwares.
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Post by Nationals on Dec 22, 2022 20:05:50 GMT -5
I've never touched OOTP. Will we all need to purchase it? How difficult is the learning curve for one who has never used it? Between buying DMB for the other league and OOTP for this, I'm not sure i want to purchase two different softwares. They have a sale going on right now, $9.99 for OOTP23
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Post by LA Angels GM on Dec 31, 2022 15:21:18 GMT -5
I bought OOTP23 with the $9.99 sale. I recommend everyone that can, do so. It's a lot. It's clearly superior to DMB, but it's a lot and very overwhelming at first.
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Post by bluejaysgm on Jan 1, 2023 17:52:41 GMT -5
I would say we need a definite yes/no if we are transitioning to OOTP. Maybe I'm alone, but I'm undecided what I want to do if I need OOTP for NSBL and DMB for DMBO.
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Post by LA Angels GM on Jan 1, 2023 20:08:02 GMT -5
I would say we need a definite yes/no if we are transitioning to OOTP. Maybe I'm alone, but I'm undecided what I want to do if I need OOTP for NSBL and DMB for DMBO. I can go either way, but my other league is also switching to OOTP this year, so for selfish reasons, I kinda like switching in both leagues. I get where you are, though.
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Post by sanfran on Jan 1, 2023 20:24:57 GMT -5
I bought OOTP23 with the $9.99 sale. I recommend everyone that can, do so. It's a lot. It's clearly superior to DMB, but it's a lot and very overwhelming at first. Before this, I will say the league rules would be setup by the commish before hand, so there will actually be a lot fewer settings than in a regular or solo game. Most of the settings and things are highly visual compared to DMB much more text based format - making it much easier to absorb. Finally, in order to sim 2023 season, we will have to purchase the new version of OOTP which comes out in the spring. Previous versions cannot download the current year projections and I have not found anybody who mods future years for past seasons. Game is scheduled for a March 20-ish release and they have kept that time-frame for the past several years.
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Post by LA Angels GM on Jan 1, 2023 22:53:36 GMT -5
I bought OOTP23 with the $9.99 sale. I recommend everyone that can, do so. It's a lot. It's clearly superior to DMB, but it's a lot and very overwhelming at first. Before this, I will say the league rules would be setup by the commish before hand, so there will actually be a lot fewer settings than in a regular or solo game. Most of the settings and things are highly visual compared to DMB much more text based format - making it much easier to absorb. Finally, in order to sim 2023 season, we will have to purchase the new version of OOTP which comes out in the spring. Previous versions cannot download the current year projections and I have not found anybody who mods future years for past seasons. Game is scheduled for a March 20-ish release and they have kept that time-frame for the past several years. Yeah, I know I'll have to buy the new game when it comes out, but I wanted to get my feet wet with the old game first. Glad I did. I really dove into it this evening. Played a bunch of games and messed around with the rosters. I'm getting the hang of it, and had a lot of fun with it. It's still a lot, but it's become a little more manageable. I'm excited to do our season on it.
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Post by bluejaysgm on Jan 2, 2023 8:38:42 GMT -5
So the $9.99 version is not for 2023?
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Post by Cubbies on Jan 2, 2023 8:58:32 GMT -5
So the $9.99 version is not for 2023? The version they're selling right now is OOTP23 but it's not a projection version. It just has stuff through the end of the 22 season, sorta like a replay league version.
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Post by Nationals on Jan 2, 2023 9:36:16 GMT -5
So the $9.99 version is not for 2023? The version they're selling right now is OOTP23 but it's not a projection version. It just has stuff through the end of the 22 season, sorta like a replay league version. Well shit, that's such a bullshit offer. I thought I was getting it all.
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Post by LA Angels GM on Jan 2, 2023 16:54:13 GMT -5
By my understanding, it's last year's game. But I'm hoping it gets me prepared for the game once the new one comes out. Regardless, I'm having fun playing it.
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