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Post by Cubbies on Feb 12, 2021 6:28:59 GMT -5
So the rules say that a minor leaguer needs to be 26 and 5 minor league seasons under their belt to be a free agent. Anyone who doesn't meet both requirements is draft eligible.
How are we handling the lack of a minor league season last year? Sorry if this was mentioned and I missed it, but I'm sure there are large number of guys who now meet only the age and not the season requirements because of last season.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Feb 12, 2021 16:01:58 GMT -5
It's an interesting discussion. I have feelings about both sides of this. I want some of those players that are impacted by this to be free agents and I want others to stay draft eligible.
I think for consistency we would want to do something that mimics the real life situation so that we can use our online resources in the the same way we always have.
I'm interested to hear what others have to say about it.
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Post by Cubbies on Feb 12, 2021 16:12:10 GMT -5
It's an interesting discussion. I have feelings about both sides of this. I want some of those players that are impacted by this to be free agents and I want others to stay draft eligible. I think for consistency we would want to do something that mimics the real life situation so that we can use our online resources in the the same way we always have. I'm interested to hear what others have to say about it. A quicker discussion would be better. It impacts guys who may or may not be eligible for this Winter Draft. I know at least one guy on my list is in a scenario where he is now 26 but missed last season in the minors and got a touch of MLB action. In normal years he would have been in the minors most of, if not all, of last season. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 18:17:10 GMT -5
I don’t see a reason to change the rule. Plenty of guys miss these thresholds due to injury. That’s how I look at it. It will normalize next year with no interference from us.
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Post by KC Royals Nate on Feb 12, 2021 20:39:14 GMT -5
I’d agree with Hayes, I would keep the FA rule as is for this season
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Post by bluejaysgm on Feb 12, 2021 23:59:43 GMT -5
I would say they get credit for 2020 so 26 and 4 years is a fa. Then go back to 26 and 5 next year.
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Post by Cubbies on Feb 13, 2021 9:18:58 GMT -5
In the past, if a player missed a whole season due to injury, and it was documented, we would let that year count I do believe. My memory isn't what it used to be though. The committee's decision is their decision, but I think this is going to have a pretty drastic effect on late-tier free agency for the next five years due to the number of players that will now be non-free agents. Fringe starters, middle relievers, and bench depth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 12:08:08 GMT -5
In the past, if a player missed a whole season due to injury, and it was documented, we would let that year count I do believe. . That is 100% false. |
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Post by bluejaysgm on Feb 14, 2021 22:04:59 GMT -5
I don’t see a reason to change the rule. Plenty of guys miss these thresholds due to injury. That’s how I look at it. It will normalize next year with no interference from us. Plenty of guys missing the cutoff is not the same as the entire minor leagues missing it. I think an exception should be made for this season, then revert back to normal rule if we have a minor league season this year. |
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Post by KC Royals Nate on Feb 14, 2021 23:08:43 GMT -5
I don’t see a reason to change the rule. Plenty of guys miss these thresholds due to injury. That’s how I look at it. It will normalize next year with no interference from us. Plenty of guys missing the cutoff is not the same as the entire minor leagues missing it. I think an exception should be made for this season, then revert back to normal rule if we have a minor league season this year. But there will still be a large number of players who would meet the thresholds. We have tons of players every year who end up unsigned who would be eligible. |
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Post by bluejaysgm on Feb 15, 2021 11:12:01 GMT -5
Plenty of guys missing the cutoff is not the same as the entire minor leagues missing it. I think an exception should be made for this season, then revert back to normal rule if we have a minor league season this year. But there will still be a large number of players who would meet the thresholds. We have tons of players every year who end up unsigned who would be eligible. And? I guess I'm not getting what your saying here. |
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Post by Cubbies on Feb 16, 2021 10:29:19 GMT -5
In the past, if a player missed a whole season due to injury, and it was documented, we would let that year count I do believe. . That is 100% false. I believe you. My memory is getting hazy now. Found out recently that long term diphenahydramine use can do that. It was one of my nightly sleeping pills and my previous doctor never mentioned the negative side effect. Anyways, I'll default to you. I know I was probably asked every year and it got mixed up in my foggy brain. Thank you for clarifying. |
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Post by sanfran on Feb 16, 2021 11:27:09 GMT -5
This isn't a one off-season issue. This is going to come up again for the next 4 years. Players in 2023 will have missed a year in 2020 and it will matter for their service time.
My vote would be to count 2020 as a full season for everyone.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Feb 16, 2021 12:07:28 GMT -5
Because this affects every player, isn't the easiest answer to continue on business as usual? How are we supposed to tell the difference between a season missed due to restrictions and a season missed due to an injury. Anyone who sat out the season shouldn't get the auto-credit for 2020 either. I really think we need to continue business as usual and let 2020 be what it really was... a lost season for all our minor leaguers and prospects.
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Post by Pirates GM on Feb 16, 2021 13:47:34 GMT -5
And at least we don't have to worry about a 40-man roster and the Rule V here. In MLBSA, we just have to deal with this action.
Team Sean and Travis.
JIm
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Post by sanfran on Feb 16, 2021 14:09:23 GMT -5
Another late thought. What will happen to 2021 draftees IRL? There are no rookie leagues. Complex ball is going to be structured different. WE don't even know if they will have regular rosters and game schedules. I expect ML teams will keep more players back in DSL complexes.
The draft has been pushed back a month to July 11. I expect other than first/second round college players who go to Class A, everybody else goes to complex league and gets workouts. But who knows if there will be any scheduled games? Maybe an Instructional league format? There may not be draft year stats. And that's fine - just different.
So the point here is maybe we need to consider drafted date as the five (six?) year clock for College players and age for the rest?
I do want to keep this simple.
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Post by BrewCrewGuru on Feb 16, 2021 17:30:19 GMT -5
I do agree we need to quickly figure out a way to redefine these qualifications. The lost year is actually less important that the restructuring of the minor leagues. Minor leagues won't function normally this year, but we do now have some idea of what the systems will look like. Drafted players will either be sent to their Complex League site or Low A League team. Which basically means that rookie ball will be played in AZ and FL along with other pre-A and developmental players.
As Travis suggests, maybe it's just 2 simple rules. Players drafted out of college have a 5 year clock. Players drafted out of high school have a 6 year clock. It's based on the draft year that they signed. Only thing that changes the clock is promotion to MLB, which is basically the same rule we have now.
This rule might be simplistic enough to implement immediately.
Eh? Thoughts?
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Post by Whitesox on Feb 16, 2021 22:17:06 GMT -5
I am not smart enough to have any sort of input on this. Continue the good work fellas.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 22:18:16 GMT -5
I do agree we need to quickly figure out a way to redefine these qualifications. The lost year is actually less important that the restructuring of the minor leagues. Minor leagues won't function normally this year, but we do now have some idea of what the systems will look like. Drafted players will either be sent to their Complex League site or Low A League team. Which basically means that rookie ball will be played in AZ and FL along with other pre-A and developmental players. As Travis suggests, maybe it's just 2 simple rules. Players drafted out of college have a 5 year clock. Players drafted out of high school have a 6 year clock. It's based on the draft year that they signed. Only thing that changes the clock is promotion to MLB, which is basically the same rule we have now. This rule might be simplistic enough to implement immediately. Eh? Thoughts? Or, just anyone age 26 and over. Eliminate the years service requirements. Doesn’t get any simpler than that. |
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Post by Cubbies on Feb 17, 2021 11:51:03 GMT -5
Wait... so are we talking now about draft v. free agency, or has this started to morph into a type of YOS idea too?
The only reason we made the age of free agency 26 when we did, was to give those college seniors a few years in the minors to see if they could amount to anything. But if we're talking about doing away with service time requirements to be FAs, we could even go lower. Like "anyone who turns 24 this year will now be free agent eligible only, 23 and younger will only be draft eligible". You can raise it a year too, is what it is. But I think dropping it to at least 25 to be a free agent might be nice.
None of this addresses the issue for this year with the missed season, but it was a good call by Travis to bring up the change of minor leagues when it comes to free agent eligibility. I kept only thinking about the Winter draft, but I wasn't thinking big picture enough when I brought this up last year.
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Post by sanfran on Feb 18, 2021 9:58:00 GMT -5
You are correct, sorting on Team FA is the list of FA players from the spreadsheet. Obviously there are many unlisted players.
Options should be complete. We passed the deadline.
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