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Post by Elephanti! on Jun 22, 2013 14:00:10 GMT -5
Is that a new rule? I know we've had people draft FA eligible players before (usually during the winter draft).
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Post by bluejaysgm on Jun 22, 2013 14:01:10 GMT -5
My belief is that Mercer is draft eligible this summer draft and winter draft, and then becomes FA eligible next Winter (2014 FA Season). He's currently unable to be signed as an in-season 1/0.800 FA since he only had 4 milb seasons/1 mlb season prior to the start of this year, so it is most definitely a legal pick. Maybe I'm counting wrong but I see 5 years in the minors before 2013. And, it was allowed up through this winter then debated over my Wilhelmson pick and changed leading up to this season which is the example listed. I took the change as if they are 26 and have 5 years in the minors "or" 2 years in the majors they lose draft eligibility once the 2nd MLB or 5th minor season is completed. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
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Post by Pirates GM on Jun 22, 2013 14:07:39 GMT -5
But Tracy, you continue to ignore the language that states this exact type of player still IS draft eligible for the season.
Perhaps accidentally, there seems to be some overlap with a 26-year old with 1 prior year of MLB experience. Could someone have attempted to sign Mercer as a FA this season? Perhaps, but nobody did, and so he's still eligible to be drafted under the given guidelines.
JIm
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Post by bluejaysgm on Jun 22, 2013 14:07:44 GMT -5
That's not true. The example specifically points out that he still IS draft eligible for the entire season. JIm The example only holds true if he also had not played 5 years in the minors already. It is an either or situation. He has met one of the requirements thus I see him as not eligible. Again, that is how I'm reading it and was my understanding after the rule change over the winter situation. We'll see which way the committee interprets it. For your sake I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by bluejaysgm on Jun 22, 2013 14:09:16 GMT -5
But Tracy, you continue to ignore the language that states this exact type of player still IS draft eligible for the season. Perhaps accidentally, there seems to be some overlap with a 26-year old with 1 prior year of MLB experience. Could someone have attempted to sign Mercer as a FA this season? Perhaps, but nobody did, and so he's still eligible to be drafted under the given guidelines. JIm I'm not ignoring it. I just read it as "an example". The example never stated how many years of MiLB service the player had just MLB service. Again, hope I'm wrong so you get him.
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Post by Pirates GM on Jun 22, 2013 14:10:43 GMT -5
Frankly- and perhaps this is a bit off-topic- but I'm not sure why there are draft restrictions on older players outside of international ones.
I mean, it would be one thing if I was trying to scheme a Henry Urrutia or other top international talent, but Mercer is just an organizational guy that's done well in a small sample size at age 25-26. I'm not familiar with the winter draft debate, but if a GM wants to take a chance on a guy like that while the majority of GMs opt for younger, much higher ceiling prospects, I don't see the issue.
JIm
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Post by bluejaysgm on Jun 22, 2013 14:12:40 GMT -5
I won't even start on how I'd like to see eligibility for the draft determined.
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Post by Cockasoarass on Jun 22, 2013 17:35:02 GMT -5
Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble!
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Post by Pirates GM on Jun 22, 2013 17:48:14 GMT -5
I thought Cockasoarasses went extinct during the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction?
Hey guys, c'mon. This has delayed the draft for a lot of GMs for the better part of a day. Can we please just let this one go and move on with things? If it's really an issue, I'm sure that a rules change can be made after the draft's conclusion.
Thanks so much,
JIm
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Post by Cubbies on Jun 22, 2013 18:18:37 GMT -5
Everyone is right...
When I wrote that rule, I only wrote that specific example to show what I meant when a player turned FA Eligible. I did not mean for MLB experience to be the sole determining factor. But Jim is right, this situation does fit the example perfectly. It's easy to see how he interpreted it that way.
I personally have no problem with just letting Jim keep Mercer and continuing with the draft, and then I will clean up and be more specific with the rule in the future.
This is a new rule. We've had grumblings before about GMs not liking how some players were both Free Agent and Draft Eligible, so we closed that this past year. We'll tighten that rule up even more before the Winter Draft.
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Post by Pirates GM on Jun 22, 2013 18:35:06 GMT -5
Thanks Joe. I appreciate it, and I'm sure all the GMs lined up to draft after me appreciate it.
Class act,
JIm
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Post by sanfran on Jun 22, 2013 21:15:54 GMT -5
UnPause - Jordy Mercer stands. Carry on with the next pick Cleveland....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 0:20:13 GMT -5
Indians select - Taylor Lindsey - 2b/SS Angels org
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Post by Cubbies on Jun 23, 2013 7:24:31 GMT -5
With pick 2.25 in the 2013 Summer Draft, the Chicago Cubs select:
Alex Bregman - 2B/SS - Louisiana State University
The Baltimore Orioles are on the clock.
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Post by Bal-Ty-more on Jun 23, 2013 11:09:07 GMT -5
The Orioles pick Derek Dietrich, 2B, Miami Marlins.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 12:38:23 GMT -5
I haven't heard from Rich so I am going to go ahead with my pick.
The NY Mets choose Renato Nunez, 3B, Oakland Athletics
Tracy is on the clock.
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Post by bluejaysgm on Jun 24, 2013 16:48:07 GMT -5
The Toronto Bluejays select: Tyrone Taylor, CF, Milwaukee Brewers Organization.
The Jays are willing to trade down from pick 3.12 if there is any interest.
Colorado is on the clock
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Post by rockiesgm on Jun 24, 2013 21:09:59 GMT -5
To wrap up the second round, the Colorado Rockies select 2B Mookie Betts out of the Red Sox organization.
The Boston Red Sox are on the clock.
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