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Post by bigredmachine on Dec 28, 2012 20:14:12 GMT -5
Somehow My pick changed to Hector Rondon when it was Bruce Rondon.
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Post by Cubbies on Dec 28, 2012 20:18:50 GMT -5
I will take care of that. Thanks for starting this thread. I am at work right now and I was starting it a bit ago, but my computer froze and I had to hard reboot.
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Post by Cubbies on Dec 28, 2012 20:27:44 GMT -5
So, I am disappointed that Jeff wouldn't have taken Puig. That means that if Matt hadn't have selected him, I could have gotten him. Soler, Mannaea, and Puig were my top three. I am happy I got Thompson though because I view him as s Chris Young type of OF with power and speed. Not as much defense, but I think he will have a higher batting average.
I'm not sure what to think about the Didi Gregorius pick. I'm not a big fan of his because I don't think he is going to hit enough to be any better than a Brendan Ryan clone
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Post by Elephanti! on Dec 28, 2012 20:38:03 GMT -5
And I'm disappointed that Manaea didn't fall to me. I didn't really expect him to, but by that point in the draft I started to get my hopes up. I wanted him badly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 21:18:59 GMT -5
Jeff, I wanted him badly too but for my team lol
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Post by Texas GM on Dec 30, 2012 15:01:42 GMT -5
This is the part of the draft that is a killer to wait through. For the most part, the first 10-12 guys aren't much of a surprise and they're guys that I pretty much knew would be gone. Then you start to see your slot "realistic" guys fall off the board one by one (Heathcott, Puig and Gregorious etc). I really liked the pick that KC made with Ziomek too. He was the talk of HS baseball up here in the NE and then landed at Vandy, my favorite college baseball school. Again he would be the talk of the town as he killed it at the Cape, but Manaea basically wiped out every CCL record this summer. I've followed Ziomek closely since joining this league and I think the kid is going to be a a good MLB player. If he can get the slider or curve to be even an average+ pitch, he'll be a name remembered from this draft. Vandy pitchers have a tendency to be overworked, so hopefully he'll avoid that. My targeted guy is still on the board, but this is is painful to watch now.
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Post by raysgm on Dec 30, 2012 23:57:47 GMT -5
I've got it nailed down to 2 guys, flipping back and forth between an arm and a bat. Don't worry though, it'll be posted tonight.
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Post by raysgm on Dec 31, 2012 4:54:09 GMT -5
I decided go a bit off of my board and take a guy a bit riskier and one dimensional than the offensive players I usually target. Love Trey's swing and power potential, so I decided to sack up and just take him now. He could be a guy not worth owning in a year if he has a bad year in JuCo, but if his pitch recognition improves and his current level of athleticism remains, he could be a freak monster at 3B, and if he's forced to move to 1B, I'll be okay, as hopefully one of Rendon or Villanueva will pan out as my 3B of the future.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 21:22:24 GMT -5
I was starting to believe that I was going to get a shot a Mondesi.
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Post by Cubbies on Jan 1, 2013 4:30:11 GMT -5
I liked the pick of Wisler by Florida. He was one of the top 2 pitchers on my board after Manaea got drafted. Right now looks like a #3, but if he puts on a little muscle and adds a few MPH, he could be a #1.
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Post by Texas GM on Jan 3, 2013 20:40:48 GMT -5
I decided to stay course and keep building through pitching. I followed Nolin for two years and was kicking myself for not selecting him this last summer. I wanted to see him in high A first.
Then, suddenly he started getting attention all over the place. Picking at #25, I was worried he was going to be gone. I felt the same way last year with Trevor Rosenthal. I look forward to a future rotation of guys like Rosenthal, Nolin, Jackson, Maronde and Kickham. With guys like them in place, I can start to focus on longer term project prospects.
BP had Nolin as the Jays #4 prospect, but the top 2 have since been dealt and he's their #2 rated prospect. This is what they say about Nolin.
Big, sturdy frame; physical; repeatable mechanics; some deception; fastball works well in the low-90s with good arm-side movement; shows good command of the pitch; changeup is plus offering; thrown with excellent arm speed and good action; very strong pitch; slider also holds good fastball disguise; effective breaking ball to left-handers, with late tilt; curveball can play as average offering, with good shape and velocity separation from rest of arsenal; plus pitchability.
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Post by Bal-Ty-more on Jan 4, 2013 8:37:52 GMT -5
Lots of great picks so far. I decided to go with Judge since I believe he may have the most raw power of any bat in the 2013 MLB Draft. But at 6'7" and 230-250lb he has a lot of moving parts so if he can't control the strike zone and keep his strike outs in check, he'll be a bust. But the upside is a corner outfield with Mike Stanton type of power. And I didn't think he'd drop all the way to me this summer if he has a good spring.
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Post by raysgm on Jan 4, 2013 20:47:56 GMT -5
The chicago white sox are proud to make their first post on this super snazzy board by drafting: OF. Max Kepler from the twins org. Jah feel? Jah most definitely feel |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 20:55:45 GMT -5
I've had Kepler high on my board for 2 years, but every year found a reason to not pick him. I would be lying to say that Matt drafted him from under me as I had him 4th of the players remaining on my board. I have my pick ready but am considering taking my full 48 hour allotment just to punish the Rox GM for trading Hanson into my division.
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Post by Texas GM on Jan 4, 2013 21:22:52 GMT -5
I'm assuming Kep;er is the first German born player to play in the league, so that's pretty cool. Did you know that both his parents were professional ballet dancers? We''ll see where he gets his moves from.
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Post by Whitesox on Jan 4, 2013 21:52:25 GMT -5
I agree with Hayes. I will always trust the braves when it comes to pitching, along with the almighty San Francisco giants, and the Tampa bay rays.
I'm stoked to get Max Kepler, didn't think he would fall to me. A legit 5 tool prospect who could stick in cf. and after learning his parents were pro ballet dancers, in Germany. I feel pretty confident with his athletic genes.
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Post by raysgm on Jan 4, 2013 22:05:01 GMT -5
after learning his parents were pro ballet dancers, in Germany. I feel pretty confident with his athletic genes. Worst comes to worst, you've found an potential star mascot. |
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Post by bigredmachine on Jan 4, 2013 22:45:09 GMT -5
I really like Kepler too. I was hoping he'd make it to the summer draft. He was one of my top guys to watch going into the season.
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Post by Elephanti! on Jan 5, 2013 10:27:02 GMT -5
I like the Kepler pick. Nice blend of tools and athleticism, and he has taken well to baseball. I don't see CF as realistic though. He's more future LF for me, but he has enough power potential for it to work.
He wasn't really on my radar though because he's still a pretty big development risk given his background and how far he is from the majors.
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Post by Arizona on Jan 5, 2013 18:08:55 GMT -5
I don't think Wilhelmsen is eligible to be drafted...
"Players with 2 years or more MLB expierence will be added to the free agent pool during each offseason. Players with 2 or more years of "real-life" experience are ineligible for the draft and therefore have no where else to go except into free agency. This is being done to ensure continued depth in the free agent pool and to account for our limited space on the reserve roster."
He has 2 years of real-life experience in 2011 and 2012.
Correct me if I'm wrong..
Ian
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Post by Texas GM on Jan 5, 2013 19:12:52 GMT -5
I don't think Wilhelmsen is eligible to be drafted... "Players with 2 years or more MLB expierence will be added to the free agent pool during each offseason. Players with 2 or more years of "real-life" experience are ineligible for the draft and therefore have no where else to go except into free agency. This is being done to ensure continued depth in the free agent pool and to account for our limited space on the reserve roster." He has 2 years of real-life experience in 2011 and 2012. Correct me if I'm wrong.. Ian Ian, I think the rules say 2 years, but you have to go to baseball reference and look up that player's service time. Much like I was worried about attempting to draft Duda last year, I just needed to verify his service time. Wilhelmsen has 1.106 years of MLB service time. I believe that baseball ref is what's used as the official service time judge......I think. |
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Post by bluejaysgm on Jan 5, 2013 19:22:07 GMT -5
My understanding. He had the 2 years of appearing in MLB (2 yrs or 5 years in MiLB and atleast age 26) so he could have been signed as a FA this year but wasn't listed because as TEX said his service time isn't 2 full seasons. He is a guy that could still be signed as a FA / or be drafted since he didn't have 2 full seasons in MLB.
Again, that is my understanding of the rule you quoted.
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Post by Arizona on Jan 5, 2013 19:52:54 GMT -5
I didn't know real-life experience meant MLB service time. If that's the case, the rules need to be reworded. I was under the impression that 2 years experience meant he needed to appear in parts of 2 seasons. Much like the free agent rules say a player must have 5 yrs minor league or 2 yrs major league experience.
If I'm wrong, that's a great draft pick. I looked at drafting him but thought he had exceeded MLB experience limits.
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Post by Texas GM on Jan 5, 2013 19:59:35 GMT -5
I didn't know real-life experience meant MLB service time. If that's the case, the rules need to be reworded. I was under the impression that 2 years experience meant he needed to appear in parts of 2 seasons. Much like the free agent rules say a player must have 5 yrs minor league or 2 yrs major league experience. If I'm wrong, that's a great draft pick. I looked at drafting him but thought he had exceeded MLB experience limits. I agree that the rule needs to be be written with more clarity, but every year, I asked the same question of the rules committee in private emails (like Duda last year) and was told that baseball ref. was the final say on service time. I would like to see that rule cleaned up to spell it out for the record though. |
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Post by LA Angels GM on Jan 5, 2013 20:08:38 GMT -5
I didn't know real-life experience meant MLB service time. If that's the case, the rules need to be reworded. I was under the impression that 2 years experience meant he needed to appear in parts of 2 seasons. Much like the free agent rules say a player must have 5 yrs minor league or 2 yrs major league experience. If I'm wrong, that's a great draft pick. I looked at drafting him but thought he had exceeded MLB experience limits. I agree that the rule needs to be be written with more clarity, but every year, I asked the same question of the rules committee in private emails (like Duda last year) and was told that baseball ref. was the final say on service time. I would like to see that rule cleaned up to spell it out for the record though. Unfortunately for me, I got stuck with Duda... |
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Post by Arizona on Jan 5, 2013 20:09:27 GMT -5
If B-R is the service time judge, then several free agent contracts signed last year were invalid because a player did not have 2 full years of service time.
So to clarify, does "2 years MLB experience" mean appearances in 2 different MLB seasons or at least 2.00 years of MLB service time?
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Post by Texas GM on Jan 5, 2013 20:13:09 GMT -5
I agree that the rule needs to be be written with more clarity, but every year, I asked the same question of the rules committee in private emails (like Duda last year) and was told that baseball ref. was the final say on service time. I would like to see that rule cleaned up to spell it out for the record though. Unfortunately for me, I got stuck with Duda... I honestly thought that Duda was going to hit at this level. Hell, when Keith Hernandez said he thought he was a legit MLB hitter, he sold me. Problem seems to me is that Duda doesn't have the work ethic or drive to become better..........struck me a lazy last year. |
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Post by Texas GM on Jan 5, 2013 20:18:27 GMT -5
If B-R is the service time judge, then several free agent contracts signed last year were invalid because a player did not have 2 full years of service time. So to clarify, does "2 years MLB experience" mean appearances in 2 different MLB seasons or at least 2.00 years of MLB service time? I think there are a lot of us new owners that aren't 100% clear on the rule. I think that it needs to be fully detailed out before FA, as this can affect a lot of what I'll be doing in FA. I don't think it was written to be a grey rule, but laying out in black and white will stop any problems in their tracks. |
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Post by Cubbies on Jan 5, 2013 20:29:20 GMT -5
To clarify:
The rules pages are out of date right now. The ones posted here are an old version that Sean just copy/pasted when he created the board. Sean and I would update the old rules pages on the old board, but neither of us ever did the smart thing and backed up our edits. We need to go through and clean them up and fix some things. Obviously, the above dispute is one of them.
The rule we've gone by is that any part of any two different MLB seasons, while also being 26 years old, makes a player free agent eligible. And also, any player (other than foreign free agents who play in the majors their first season) is draft eligible as long as they have never been on a roster before. So Wilhelmsen is eligible to be drafted. He was also free agent eligible.
This came up last year about players being both draft and free agent eligible and the committee talked last Winter about closing that and making it so once a player becomes free agent eligible, they lose their draft eligibility. I am pretty sure we decided to do that, but then it was a year before we announced rule changes and we all forgot about it... including me, until Tracy emailed me and asked about Wilhelmsen. So, since the rule was never formally changed or announced, this is a righteous pick.
But for the Summer Draft, we need to close the loophole. And to make it clear, during the Summer, those players who just became Free Agent eligible by playing in their second MLB season in 2013 are still eligible to be drafted. So if a 25 year old RP got into 3 games in 2012, and now in 2013 turns 26 and breaks camp with a team and starts mowing down batters like Kimbrel, he will still be draft eligible because he is not free agent eligible during the season. But once 2013 ends, he is only free agent eligible and no longer draft eligible.
Sound good to everyone?
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Post by Arizona on Jan 5, 2013 20:51:17 GMT -5
So based on what you said, the following is untrue...
"Players with 2 years or more MLB expierence will be added to the free agent pool during each offseason. Players with 2 or more years of "real-life" experience are ineligible for the draft and therefore have no where else to go except into free agency. This is being done to ensure continued depth in the free agent pool and to account for our limited space on the reserve roster."
I'm not thrilled about this. I wanted Wilhelmsen, but read that rule and deemed him ineligible to draft. It is a great pick, I'm just not thrilled that a poorly worded (or outdated, either way) rule convinced me that he was ineligible.
I think Wilhelmsen should go to free agency, so everyone gets a shot at him. And also, making decisions like this in the middle of the draft does not seem like a great idea.
Just my $.02
Ian
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